Why Buy a Mahindra or Mahindra vs . . . .?

[JimnAZ]

One of the dealers did get back to me. Of course it is the out of state one. He suggested going up one model to the 3616 to better handle the backhoe. I will address with him our elevation challenge. Do they make a turbo?
So the LPGS is not just a blade, but there is a frame also?

 

[oldpilgrim]

One of the dealers did get back to me. Of course it is the out of state one. He suggested going up one model to the 3616 to better handle the backhoe.

total garbage about the hoe ... he probably has a lot of 3616's on the lot.

I recently went thru what you are doing now and I got 3016 6 weeks ago. I didn't like the light weight of the JD. I didn't like the fact that there was so much plastic on the JD. I didn't like the aluminum on the JD and I sure didn't like the $ on the JD.

The FEL and BH specs are much better than the competition.

The 3016 is a strong, robust, heavy machine, especially with the BH on it. The BH works just great on it. With loaded tires, the thing pushes like a bulldozer. It is one strong capable machine.

The 3016 is made completely by Mistubishi in Japan and has a Mitsu diesel in it...they make a lot of good diesels.

I can't recommend it enough. It's a beautiful, well made, powerful machine. Much more bang for the buck than a Deere.

 

[stoyan79]

I'm a Kubota guy, but have been intrigued by the Mitsubishi made Mahindras. 3016 and 3616 look awesome and the specs are excellent. The problem I have is, the closest Mahindra dealer is over 100 miles.

Anyhow, I want to find out which other Mahindra models are entirely made by Mitsubishi, not just Mitsubishi engines.

Also, is everything on the 16 series made by Mitsubishi - FEL, BH, etc.?

Another question, specs say 16 series have mid PTO and belly mowers, but never seen one in real world.

 

[oldpilgrim]

Not sure which other models are made by Mitsu. I think the Max24 is.

The entire 3016 is made by them. There's a plate on the chassis that says 'Made in Japan by Mitsubishi'. As far as I know the mid Pto is an option. I haven't seen them.

The Fel and BH are made in USA. I cant remember what American company makes them.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

All of the 16 series machines are Mitsubishi made. Turbos are no longer used in the 16 series as they were in previous models. As oldpilgrim stated, the loaders and back hoes are made here in the states, by KMW by the way.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

One of the dealers did get back to me. Of course it is the out of state one. He suggested going up one model to the 3616 to better handle the backhoe. I will address with him our elevation challenge. Do they make a turbo?
So the LPGS is not just a blade, but there is a frame also?

Jim, to be perfectly honest with you, and I know that you need to finance to get this thing, but there are other ways to finance, banks etc. If you were to find a low hour 3216 or 3316 you may just be better off. First of all, those machines have a turbo, and while they are rated at 32 & 33hp, they both actually have 34hp. A late model 3316 would be preferred, they have an upgraded transmission housing. Anyway with the money saved on a used machine, that would allow you to get many if not most of the implements that it sounds like you need. Just a thought.

As far as a LPGS, in my opinion an absolute must have for maintaining a natural surface road. Here are a few more pictures to give you an idea. I have 2 sizes by the way for different size tractors, so don't let the different pictures confuse you, they are of the same type of implement, just different size and the small unit has red sides.

Any chance you could get us some pictures of the area that you will be working with? Pictures can really help out as far as what needs to be recommended. As far as your road, depending on several different conditions what would actually be the best implement to actually start out with. While I have made roads from virgin soil with my LPGS, depending on the soil and terrain if that is a good idea or not. Lots of variables to consider and pictures would really help us help you. :thumbsup:

 

[JimnAZ]

Great feedback - thank you.

I have not seen any used Mahindras in my whole state. Not sure how far out I would need to search. So if all I can get is new, am I screwed not getting a turbo? I will work on pics.

Jim

 

[oldpilgrim]

turbo, schmerbo. Don't think twice about it.

 

[wolftree]

Jim,

You owe it to yourself to physically go sit on and operate the Mahindra 3016. I believe you will come away impressed like I did. I looked at and operated all the different colors in the horsepower and found nothing better no matter the price.

the Mahindra 3016 shuttle has 8 forward gears to compensate for altitude power loss. I do not think any of the other colors have a turbo in that horsepower size either, I may be wrong.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

turbo, schmerbo. Don't think twice about it.

So you think that an 18% power loss is satisfactory??? And it's not just 18% power loss, the responsiveness, everything about not having a turbo at those altitudes makes things different. Can he get by with a 3016, you bet, just no where near as nice though.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Great feedback - thank you.

I have not seen any used Mahindras in my whole state. Not sure how far out I would need to search. So if all I can get is new, am I screwed not getting a turbo? I will work on pics.

Jim

No, that was the whole reason for recommending the 3616, That puts you at 29.5 HP and you would be fine. But if that is out of the budget, that is why I suggested used. I would not like to see you get the 3016 and then it not perform satisfactory for your needs at your elevation. And the elevation will and does make a difference, just a fact that has to be dealt with one way or another.

There was a TBN member not that long ago that went with a 3215 I think it was. Had very low hours, was like new. He had to go 3-4 states away to get it, but he seemed happy.

 

[JimnAZ]

So you think that an 18% power loss is satisfactory??? And it's not just 18% power loss, the responsiveness, everything about not having a turbo at those altitudes makes things different. Can he get by with a 3016, you bet, just no where near as nice though.

:-( :-(

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I have 7 tractors at our property that is at 4100'. 3 of them do not have a turbo. You can tell the difference. They work,:thumbsup: just not the same.

 

[oldpilgrim]

No, that was the whole reason for recommending the 3616, That puts you at 29.5 HP and you would be fine.

So you think that an 18% power loss is satisfactory???

The 3016 is 28 hp. Dunno if 1.5 hp is 18%, didn't do the math, but I don't think so.

I'm saying that the 3616 won't run a BH any better than the 3016, which is what the OP said that the dealer told him.

I don't think that the OP will notice any difference with the 1.5 hp difference between the 3016 and the 3616, other than the purchase price.

My opinion. I have a 3016.

 

[JimnAZ]

Here are some pics. The good the bad and the ugly. The rectangle hole is our pit greenhouse. I need to get that nice and level so I can start building it. The pond is a big work in progress. Looks like a cinder pit right now.
The road is a mess in many places and other places I just need to maintain. I need to dig a trench on both sides for drainage during our Monsoons. I also have to level out ground for our house and clear the ground in our orchard. That I believe just needs a blade.
I realize that bigger is better and easier and faster. However we have a budget and I do not mind whittling at the road and pond over time.
Bummed that there will be a noticeable difference with my elevation and the lack of turbo option with the 3016 & 3616, unless I can find an older one for sale. But, since I have never had a tractor before maybe I will not notice so stop reminding me

 

[MtnViewRanch]

The 3016 is 28 hp. Dunno if 1.5 hp is 18%, didn't do the math, but I don't think so.

I'm saying that the 3616 won't run a BH any better than the 3016, which is what the OP said that the dealer told him.

I don't think that the OP will notice any difference with the 1.5 hp difference between the 3016 and the 3616, other than the purchase price.

My opinion. I have a 3016.

Ok, my mistake about the 3016 HP rating. I assumed that it was 30. So now that 28 HP tractor is only going to have just under 23hp. Yep that'll be a power house for sure. And as far as the back hoe, you are right, I doubt that he would ever notice the difference. As far as ALL the ground work that has to be done, there will be a HUGE difference. Now you are talking about 23hp vs 29.5hp. Now you are talking about a 28% power difference. So now with the corrected figures, there is a 10% bigger difference. Even more of a reason to not get this HP rating that is naturally aspirated.

Again, just my :2cents:, I don't care one way or the other. :wave:

 

[wolftree]

MtnView,

Do you know of a 30 hp tractor with a turbo to reccomend to Jim?

 

[Redneck in training]

I disagree about a LPGS only being good for roads. I have used mine to even out acre sized areas many times. By far exceeds the capability of a box blade when the conditions are right.

Agree. I should have said is good for leveling in general.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

MtnView,

Do you know of a 30 hp tractor with a turbo to reccomend to Jim?

Without doing a bunch of research, a 3215 or 3316 Mahindra just like I have already recommended. These would have to be used as they are previous models to the 3616. As far as new models, no, I have no idea. The OP has few dealers in his area and does not seem to want to go very far to get a machine. (don't really blame him) I just hate to see him get a brand new tractor that he can afford and have it not perform well for him.

The 3016 Mahindra is a great tractor, just not so much at 6000 feet. But it may be the only option based on the limitations that he has put on himself. I would say to look at a JD 3038e, it has a turbo but the tractor has no OEM way to have a back hoe.

When there are restrictions to deal with for whatever reasons, the choices available become fewer.

Just the way it is. I wish Jim good luck.

 

[DavesTractor]

We took in a used 3316 turbo last week with 25.9 hours! It had been garaged and was perfect, but it also sold the first day. They come up like that occasionally, but not often and unless you find one local to you, you simply cannot get to it before it is sold.

At your elevation, and with the added weight of a backhoe I'd also recommend the 3616. 8 more HP. But the 3016 will do the job and has adequate HP even at elevation to run the pump fine, meaning the backhoe would dig perfectly and the loader would lift fine. But pushing a pile of dirt with the bucket or other heavy ground engaging tasks will require low range, slow speed and some patience with a 3016. Still incredibly faster than a shovel and wheelbarrow.....