Picking a trailer for new JD 5083E

[bglz42]

I'm looking for a trailer for my 5083E with 553 loader. I will occasionally haul with a mower attached so I'm looking at 24' gooseneck minimum. What are the pros/cons of lowboy vs deck-over?

I figure the deck-over might be advantageous if I were hauling something wide like a 7' to 8' mower?

 

[RedNeckRacin]

DECK OVER, and absolutely a GN, My tractor (5083E) with the 563NSL, loaded tires and base weight of the tractor (granted im usually hauling something else) pretty much maxes out my GN, I pretty much sold my 1 ton Cummins because it was hairy stopping it in a hurry. I would reccomend a Low Profile Deckover, some manufacturer's make them some dont. Moritz does and its a full 3" lower to the ground. (not advertising them, just what i personally own.) If you start trying to get the correct tongue weight on your truck, your going to run out of deck in a hurry, Hence why I usually ended up with a very pin heavy trailer and hence why I upgraded to a bigger truck. Hope that helps!


btw, IIRC loader figures in around 1500-1700lbs, and I believe beet juice adds almost 800 (780 if you wanna be technical, 16.9-30) per rear tire. so we are easily talking 7435(per deere)base tractor plus extras, which rounds out to about 11k, Any additional attachments are extra of course. I usually happen to have a 2k counter weight with me. So I'm right at my trailer max.

 

[bglz42]

Thanks, RedNeckRacin! That was exactly the type of info I was searching for!

 

[skoalman12]

I am very interested in this topic also. Anyone have any pics of hauling around there 5083e? or 93 or 101 for that matter, they are exactly the same size if i recall.

 

[bglz42]

I am leaning toward a tandem gooseneck 20 plus 5 dovetail...

 

[pclausen]

I got a 20 plus 4 dovetail gooseneck that I haul my 5085M w/ H260 loader around on. This setup is a bit heavier than a 5083E w/ 553 loader, but size is about the same I think.

It fits fine without a rear implement, but with something on the back, the bucket needs to go up on the gooseneck itself for sure.

Here is just the tractor on the trailer:

I have hauled this combo before with no issues (sorry, no pic of it loaded on the trailer), although it is real right getting the ramps up. A 5' dovetail or another few feet of deck length would have been nice, but I'm having a hard enough time turning around in tight places as it is with my crew cab long bed truck, so I'm happy with what I got.

 

[bglz42]

Thanks SO much for the pics! Thats what I needed to see...

 

[RedNeckRacin]

My 1 ton SRW cummins and the brand new 5083E. 563NSL, loaded wheels, and a little bit of a pucker factor! I think a dually would help immensely with the weight.

 

[skoalman12]

Thanks for the pics!

 

[flyingcow]

Sorry not a deere, but it's about the same size tractor. The Gn is a 22ft plus 4ft beaver tail

 

[deere5105]

Looks like some pretty heavy loads on tandem single axles. This may or may not be the place to ask this question, but when evaluating load capacity of a trailer is it safe to take the total axle capacity and subtract the trailer weight to determine how much weight can be put on the trailer? For example, I have a 22' 12K bumper pull trailer that is 82" wide. I estimate the trailer to weigh 2000 lbs. So the max weight the trailer can carry would be 12,000 lbs axle rating(2 @ 6,000 lbs each) less the 2,000 lbs trailer equal 10, 000 lbs possible pay load. I realize tongue weight factors in, but it is difficult to calculate. Seem about right?

 

[Diamondpilot]

Looks like some pretty heavy loads on tandem single axles. This may or may not be the place to ask this question, but when evaluating load capacity of a trailer is it safe to take the total axle capacity and subtract the trailer weight to determine how much weight can be put on the trailer? For example, I have a 22' 12K bumper pull trailer that is 82" wide. I estimate the trailer to weigh 2000 lbs. So the max weight the trailer can carry would be 12,000 lbs axle rating(2 @ 6,000 lbs each) less the 2,000 lbs trailer equal 10, 000 lbs possible pay load. I realize tongue weight factors in, but it is difficult to calculate. Seem about right?

Yes, kind of. You really need to weigh it. Most 12k ttrailers are closer to 3k empty.

Chris

 

[deere5105]

Yes, kind of. You really need to weigh it. Most 12k ttrailers are closer to 3k empty.

Chris

So if the trailer weighed 3k, the net capacity would be 9k? And the capacity could technically be increased by the amount of tongue weight too?

 

[pclausen]

That is my understanding. My trailer weigh 4800 lbs empty and has a 7ton or 14k capacity. I figured 25% can be tongue weight, so 14k + 25% = 17.5k. If I then subtract the trailer weight of 4.8k, it means I can haul 12.7k on it.

I'm currently hauling lumber to the mill with it, and have had loads over 14k. Here's a 14.6k load:

So my gross weight going down the road was 27.6k, which is probably borderline for my truck. Fortunately, the mill is only 10 miles away.

I have also hauled a 6405 with this trailer.

And a boom lift:

Of all those loads, I would say the boom lift was probably the heaviest, and I hauled it about 50 miles on the interstate, crossing the Blue Ridge Mountains. Neither truck nor trailer every felt unstable or unsafe at any point.

 

[wmonroe]

That is my understanding. My trailer weigh 4800 lbs empty and has a 7ton or 14k capacity. I figured 25% can be tongue weight, so 14k + 25% = 17.5k. If I then subtract the trailer weight of 4.8k, it means I can haul 12.7k on it.

I'm currently hauling lumber to the mill with it, and have had loads over 14k. Here's a 14.6k load:

So my gross weight going down the road was 27.6k, which is probably borderline for my truck. Fortunately, the mill is only 10 miles away.

I have also hauled a 6405 with this trailer.

And a boom lift:

Of all those loads, I would say the boom lift was probably the heaviest, and I hauled it about 50 miles on the interstate, crossing the Blue Ridge Mountains. Neither truck nor trailer every felt unstable or unsafe at any point.

Great pictures! I have a very similiar gooseneck just a different brand, mine scales out about 5100 lbs with chains, binders, and a couple 6x6 blocks. I dont think i could go back to a bumper pull trailer now. Here are a few pictures of some various loads.

Picking up my Ford 961

The Jeep loaded to go to camp

Delivering a buddies truck that he just bought

Twenty foot sea van, at this point it was almost unloaded, probably only 2-3,000 lbs left in it.

 

[mikehaugen]

Yes, kind of. You really need to weigh it. Most 12k ttrailers are closer to 3k empty.

Chris

I have a 20' 7k trailer that scaled 2600 just on the axles, not sure what the tongue weight was, so yeah I would hope a 12k trailer would be more than 2,000 empty.

 

[davel8257]

26,000 lbs and over should imply a CDL driver's license...

 

[Sterff]

26,000 lbs and over should imply a CDL driver's license...

In PA, over a 10K GVW trailer is CDL

 

[Duffster]

In PA, over a 10K GVWR trailer is CDL

Not unless the CGVWR is over 26 it's not.

 

[case245]

i haul my 7040sud fel loaded rear tires cast centers on my 10k 20 fot bumper pull trailer ii figure its 8-8.5k my trailers bout 1000ibs over