b7100 steering box advice needed

[KubotainNH]

Hit reply and under the box where you type inside the "additional options" box is a "manage attachments" button used to attach files like pictures. Click it and browse to the picture that you already placed on your computer.

 

[rick sheltra]

Thanks KubotainNH that worked fine. I tried it on reply to your message. Does that automatically get it into the thread I need it on for others too see?
Thanks for your help
Rick

 

[KubotainNH]

Yep, you got it. So for getting the pitman arm off get or borrow one of these. Make sure the size is correct for the arms to fit behind the round part. Pitman Arm Puller & Tie Rod Puller Attached is a pick of the ball joint you want off. Hit with a heavy hammer where the blue arrow points. You can hit where the red arrow points but you would need to hold something heavier than the hammer against the opposite, like a sledge hammer sized item. I use a 4lb hammer, a few whacks heading towards a solid back piece and they pop right off.

 

[Travelover]

Yep, you got it. So for getting the pitman arm off get or borrow one of these. Make sure the size is correct for the arms to fit behind the round part. Pitman Arm Puller & Tie Rod Puller Attached is a pick of the ball joint you want off. Hit with a heavy hammer where the blue arrow points. You can hit where the red arrow points but you would need to hold something heavier than the hammer against the opposite, like a sledge hammer sized item. I use a 4lb hammer, a few whacks heading towards a solid back piece and they pop right off.

AutoZone has free tool rental, if you have one near you.

 

[rick sheltra]

AutoZone has free tool rental, if you have one near you.

Thanks There is one near here appreciate it

 

[rick sheltra]

I was eyeing that puller for 10 bucks and there is a store about 25 miles from here...might as well get one. The autozone i was told has free rental but I might need one again. Thanks for takin the time to point out where to whack I will try this tomorrow Ill keep updating as I go if thats OK and thanks to all for the input.

 

[rick sheltra]

Hey I hit it with a hammer and it popped right off just like you said! Pitman arm puller didnt fit right as you said it might not and I improvised and after using a long handled breaker bar I got it to break loose. It was really in there tight perhaps because of the other problems I found. I am going to try and post pics of the pitman arm which is definately twisted, and the arm knuckle which I cant tell if they are ok or not.
So I am now going to order the tie rod new because its only 19.95 from big orange parts. I found a guy on ebay that has the shaft and thrust bearing for 135.00 brand new he has over 10 of them free shipping. So I will probably get that however he does not have the races and it looks like I need 2 of the same kind of those. as well.
Below is a quote from Big orange parts on items I requested. The shaft is higher price at big orange but it might include the races and seals?? ill find out.
ok gonna try and post pics on another post so I dont lose what i wrote. thanks for all the help...never thought I could even get this far with the repair.
Have you ever taken a knuckle arm off? I was thinking to take it off and see if there is even any lube in there. I guess I would have to have a new gasket if i did get it off right?
supposed to be first snowstorm for us here in western maryland tomorow so guess ill be stuck inside and unable to plow again ...but I am getting closer thanks to you all




Action Product Product Code Product Description Quantity Sales Price LBS Total Product LBS
Edit | Del Kubota-09500-22358 09500-22358 Seal, Oil (PQ 5) 2.00 $2.47 0
Edit | Del Kubota-66711-56530 66711-56530 Rod (PQ 1) 1.00 $19.95 0
Edit | Del Kubota-66811-41140 66811-41140 Brg Thrust Ball16/35 (PQ 1) 2.00 $8.99 0
Edit | Del Kubota-H6680-41150 H6680-41150 Shaft, Sector * (PQ 1) 1.00 $202.99 0
Edit | Del Kubota-H6680-41202 H6680-41202 Comp Ball Nut, Steering * (PQ 1) 1.00 $185.25 0





Subtotal------------------------------$431.11



Freight--------------------------------FREE When You Spend Over $50.00!!!

 

[rick sheltra]

Thanks KubotainNH that worked fine. I tried it on reply to your message. Does that automatically get it into the thread I need it on for others too see?
Thanks for your help
Rick

Hey I hit it with a hammer and it popped right off just like you said! Pitman arm puller didnt fit right as you said it might not and I improvised and after using a long handled breaker bar I got it to break loose. It was really in there tight perhaps because of the other problems I found. I am going to try and post pics of the pitman arm which is definately twisted, and the arm knuckle which I cant tell if they are ok or not.
So I am now going to order the tie rod new because its only 19.95 from big orange parts. I found a guy on ebay that has the shaft and thrust bearing for 135.00 brand new he has over 10 of them free shipping. So I will probably get that however he does not have the races and it looks like I need 2 of the same kind of those. as well.
Below is a quote from Big orange parts on items I requested. The shaft is higher price at big orange but it might include the races and seals?? ill find out.
ok gonna try and post pics on another post so I dont lose what i wrote. thanks for all the help...never thought I could even get this far with the repair.
Have you ever taken a knuckle arm off? I was thinking to take it off and see if there is even any lube in there. I guess I would have to have a new gasket if i did get it off right?
supposed to be first snowstorm for us here in western maryland tomorow so guess ill be stuck inside and unable to plow again ...but I am getting closer thanks to you all

tried to post pics and they suck so i will take pics again tomorrow




Action Product Product Code Product Description Quantity Sales Price LBS Total Product LBS
Edit | Del Kubota-09500-22358 09500-22358 Seal, Oil (PQ 5) 2.00 $2.47 0
Edit | Del Kubota-66711-56530 66711-56530 Rod (PQ 1) 1.00 $19.95 0
Edit | Del Kubota-66811-41140 66811-41140 Brg Thrust Ball16/35 (PQ 1) 2.00 $8.99 0
Edit | Del Kubota-H6680-41150 H6680-41150 Shaft, Sector * (PQ 1) 1.00 $202.99 0
Edit | Del Kubota-H6680-41202 H6680-41202 Comp Ball Nut, Steering * (PQ 1) 1.00 $185.25 0

 

[KubotainNH]

I can't say that I know what the "knuckle arm" is. Some of the terminology vexes me.

Please post any new threads to this one so we can find it.....

 

[rick sheltra]

Well my jeep broke down and I have not been able to do anything but work on that. I think I will become a plenum plate gasket specialist......any how... the kubota parts i ordered came and of course I need more. The so called complete assembly wasnt that at all. I still have to buy the races....and the pitman arm has been discontinued. I was offered one for 100 bucks used....
The pitman arm has a slight twist at the bottom and I would have liked to replace it so it dosent put unneeded wear on the rest of the steering but i cant pay 100. Heated it up[ to see if I could fix it and it just laughed at me :laughing:
anyway I am going to attempt to take pics as I go so maybe it might help someone else. thanks to all for your help I am sure I will run into problems as I start this....

 

[rick sheltra]

Finally able to get back on here with update
I have put the steering tie rod and drag link assembly back on. The pitman arm is twisted slightly and I thought I could just flip it around and put the twist in opposite direction however the small hole on the arm seems to be beveled to fit only one way so I will have to use it as is.
New arm not available .... Tried heating and twisting back but no luck
Anyway it's getting closer to be able to use
NOW I would like to ask a question I am almost embarrassed to ask... I forgot which way the wheels go on!
Does the deep part of the front wheel go inside or out?
Does it matter which way it goes on?
thanks for advice
Rick

 

[Egon]

Look at the lug nut marks, if there.

The rim design should actually indicate the lug nut side.

 

[rick sheltra]

Thanks egon I guess I sanded pretty good before painting couldn't see them
I guess what's throwing me off is the rear tire air valve is on the inside and the way I mounted MY front tires air valve is on outside I'm gonna try it soon
Putting steering rid and gear box back together and now a new problem,,, how do I. Align the gear the pitman arm is attached to and the actual steering shaft worm type gear assembly
I am gonna just try in the center first unless someone has a suggestion

 

[Egon]

By guess and by gosh !:thumbsup:

Jack up front so tires turn easily. Center steering wheel. Equal amount of turn either way. Get wheels pointing straight ahead. Place pitman arm on spline.

Repeat till you figure it's right.

Make sure the wheel turn limiting bolts are set.

 

[rick sheltra]

Thanks perfect timing just got it assembled
What kind of oil goes in there ?
I have some gear oil 80w will that work?
And should I put silicone or permatex on the top rubber seal ?

 

[Egon]

Thanks perfect timing just got it assembled
What kind of oil goes in there ?
I have some gear oil 80w will that work?
And should I put silicone or permatex on the top rubber seal ?

The oil will work. :thumbsup:

Silicone will not hurt.

 

[Egon]

Thanks perfect timing just got it assembled
What kind of oil goes in there ?
I have some gear oil 80w will that work?
And should I put silicone or permatex on the top rubber seal ?

The oil will work. :thumbsup: [Think it called for 90wt????]

Silicone will not hurt.

 

[rick sheltra]

Thanks egon. I have a few more questions as usual. Sorry I just am so limited in what I know. I think reading this forum has made me more aware of how this thing operates...thanks to you all.

The wheels bolt onto the hub and that casing has a fill hole too. Do you think that would be gear oil too like 80/90 weight.
I wanted to open those casings to see if they were ok but then I thought I would probably need the gaskets to reseal it. Guess Im getting ahead of myself and I will just check to see the fluid is full.

Im getting closer to getting it going.
I put the steering box back together and now have to reassemble the instrument panel cuz I painted it and Im almost ready to go. Guess I oughta change the oil and filter and the hyraulic oil as well. Does Hydraulic fluid go bad?

once again my friend, thanks for all your help.
Rick

 

[Egon]

Sorry I just am so limited in what I know. /QUOTE]

Spend a day in my shoes and then you will know what "Limited" means.:ashamed:

From memory the manual calls for 90wt. gear oil for the wheels and center differential.

They all have a drain plug on the bottom and a fill plug on top.

Jack up the front and tilt axle makes it easier draining wheels.

For checking them out I'd just drain and see if anything extra in the oil.:thumbsup:

 

[rick sheltra]

Thank you sir I will check the oil and take a look. i havent even looked at it in 5 years...
good tip on tilting the wheels to get the oil out with it jacked up...:thumbsup: