Wanting To Trade Industrial Tires and Wheels For Turf Tires and Wheels, JD 3038E

[beaglegun]

I screwed up big time last fall and bought a new JD 3038E with the industrial tire option. I've since started a sportsfield and turf renovation business and the industrial tires are unacceptable. They were a $240 option when I bought the tractor and now they will cost me about $2000!

I believe the tire and wheel size is majorly inportant do to the MFWD. The tire sizes are differant for the turf and industrial tires and I can't find turf tire sizes that will fit on my existing wheels!!

What would be great would be if I could find a guy who got the turf tire option and now wants industrial tires. We could trade. I only have 60 hrs on this machine.

The industrial tires are:

25x8.50-14 4PR front R4 Industrial
15-19.5 4PR rear R4 Industrial

 

[RoyJackson]

I can't help you with the trade, but you should post your location to see if any takers are fairly local.
You could ask your dealer to keep an eye out for someone who wants industrial tires. Lots of tractors are shipped with R-4's and the buyer wants turfs, but doesn't want to wait. You'd probably have to ante up some money (since your industrials are used now...and even just 60 hours means used). Can't hurt to ask...

Now...I have turfs on my Deere 4400. Frankly, they do more damage to my lawn then the industrials I had on my old 790. I have just enough slope that the tires will spin (if in 2WD). So, turfs may not be the better way to go unless the lawns you work on are flat and level.

 

[arsenix2001]

Now...I have turfs on my Deere 4400. Frankly, they do more damage to my lawn then the industrials I had on my old 790. I have just enough slope that the tires will spin (if in 2WD). So, turfs may not be the better way to go unless the lawns you work on are flat and level.

I keep hearing this but have to question it. First, what level of lawn are we talking about... Finished mowed pasture, or an acre or two of manicured, string edged lawn... That seems to be a misunderstood point in someones opinion that R4's dont hurt the lawn. Heres the thing, turfs may slip occasionally and burn or tear a spot, but will quickly regrow in the growing season. R4's on the other hand may not slip but could and will leave nice deep visable cleat marks if the ground is anything but firm... In pasture grass it may be harder to notice, but in finished lawn its easily visible. Id much rather throw some grass seed on a torn spot than try and figure out how to remove 35 rows of cleat marks from a customers lawn. Just my 2 cents.

 

[lwalsh]

I would start looking for a dealer with a used machine with turfs on it and see about swapping tires for a small fee. I would think a dealer would rather have the r4's

 

[RoyJackson]

I keep hearing this but have to question it. First, what level of lawn are we talking about... Finished mowed pasture, or an acre or two of manicured, string edged lawn... That seems to be a misunderstood point in someones opinion that R4's dont hurt the lawn. Heres the thing, turfs may slip occasionally and burn or tear a spot, but will quickly regrow in the growing season. R4's on the other hand may not slip but could and will leave nice deep visable cleat marks if the ground is anything but firm... In pasture grass it may be harder to notice, but in finished lawn its easily visible. Id much rather throw some grass seed on a torn spot than try and figure out how to remove 35 rows of cleat marks from a customers lawn. Just my 2 cents.

All finished lawn...but I'm not a "House and Garden" guy. The R-4's left impressions, but never rutted the lawn. The turfs have (before I started using MFWD all the time).
That's my experience...

 

[arsenix2001]

All finished lawn...but I'm not a "House and Garden" guy. The R-4's left impressions, but never rutted the lawn. The turfs have (before I started using MFWD all the time).
That's my experience...

Yeah, I guess the killer for me are those stamped tread impressions... Guess it depends on your tire too, I have fairly large tires for the weight of my machine. Not galaxys but still pretty big R3's.

 

[beaglegun]

I'm aerating sports fields. I have emailed all area dealers. The idea about finding a used tractor and swapping is a good one.

I'm in central Ky

 

[LHS Inc]

I'm aerating sports fields. I have emailed all area dealers. The idea about finding a used tractor and swapping is a good one.

I'm in central Ky

What brand of aerator do you have? I got a great deal on a 2010 Frontier 2060E. Some guy bought it new and didn't even put it in the ground, traded it back in and I bought it used. It has six spoons per hub as compared to eight on the more expensive models. I would prefer the eight but I couldn't turn down this deal and it did a good job when I tried it out. It also has a heavy duty frame which is a plus. Before I bought my own JD 3520 w/R4's I rented a 3520 with the R4's many times to overseed on different soils and didn't have a problem with tire tracking the lawn. You just have to pick the right conditions to not leave any tracks. Pick the wrong time and you can have problems with turf tires too. My tread pattern is a little different than yours, I don't think it's enough to cause a problem but maybe it is. There is ground disturbance with an overseeder or core aerator so what little the tires do as far as scuffing should be taken care of with the attachment you're using IMHO. Check out the tread pattern in my pic.

 

[beaglegun]

I have a Landpride CA2560 with the dual 30 gal water tanks. 8 spoons per gang, 96 total. It works fairly well but on soft turf when lifted the tread pattern will be left. You are compacting at the same time as you are aerating to relieve compaction!!!

I'm fixin to give up on finding a trade. I found a guy south of Lexington who wants to buy my wheels and tires. I guess I'll buy new and take the hit.

 

[LHS Inc]

I have a Landpride CA2560 with the dual 30 gal water tanks. 8 spoons per gang, 96 total. It works fairly well but on soft turf when lifted the tread pattern will be left. You are compacting at the same time as you are aerating to relieve compaction!!!

I'm fixin to give up on finding a trade. I found a guy south of Lexington who wants to buy my wheels and tires. I guess I'll buy new and take the hit.

You'll have to treat the area where you lift up as a turn row like a farmer does and aerate it last as you leave the area.

Let us know how the turfs perform.

 

[Reg]

I screwed up big time last fall and bought a new JD 3038E with the industrial tire option. I've since started a sportsfield and turf renovation business and the industrial tires are unacceptable. They were a $240 option when I bought the tractor and now they will cost me about $2000!

I believe the tire and wheel size is majorly inportant do to the MFWD. The tire sizes are differant for the turf and industrial tires and I can't find turf tire sizes that will fit on my existing wheels!!

What would be great would be if I could find a guy who got the turf tire option and now wants industrial tires. We could trade. I only have 60 hrs on this machine.

The industrial tires are:

25x8.50-14 4PR front R4 Industrial
15-19.5 4PR rear R4 Industrial

A SLIM chance, but you might find a golf course that has a similar machine with turfs (bought out of habit/default) that they really want to use for heavier dirt work.
Depends on the course, some hire out everything except mowing.
Any chance you can get a customer list from your dealer, e.g. all tractors sold in the last year or so with that size turfs on ?

 

[arsenix2001]

I have a Landpride CA2560 with the dual 30 gal water tanks. 8 spoons per gang, 96 total. It works fairly well but on soft turf when lifted the tread pattern will be left. You are compacting at the same time as you are aerating to relieve compaction!!!

I'm fixin to give up on finding a trade. I found a guy south of Lexington who wants to buy my wheels and tires. I guess I'll buy new and take the hit.

Are they high end fields or like parks? Im just suprised that they want core aeration on a playing field... Usually they prefer deeptine aeration from a $10,000 machine i cant afford lol. The spikes relieve the compaction and drainage down to like 12-13 inches and improve drainage with no plugs to worry about. Id love to own one, along with a soil topdresser.

 

[plowindeeper]

A fellow in the mississippi farm market has a set to fit a 4710 mounted on rim for $450 bucks surly if you look arround you can find a set

 

[JoeBiscuit]

beaglegun, I'll send you a PM.

 

[beaglegun]

Are they high end fields or like parks? Im just suprised that they want core aeration on a playing field... Usually they prefer deeptine aeration from a $10,000 machine i cant afford lol. The spikes relieve the compaction and drainage down to like 12-13 inches and improve drainage with no plugs to worry about. Id love to own one, along with a soil topdresser.

In Ky I can't see much of a benefit from deep tine aerification. In most places you will tear your machine up because sooner or later you will strike rock at 12". Fescue will never have roots deeper then 3". Compaction is in the top 2" of soil. Where is the water going? In ky water is not soaking into the soil like it does in sandy soils. We have clay soil. Some worse then others. Core aerification relieves compaction, helps to reduce thatch, lets water and oxygen get to the root structure, doesn't compact the soil around the holes as bad as solid tine aerification and it provides valuable topdressing. If customers don't want cores I pull a mat drag over the turf and break them up. They can play the same day.

 

[Reg]

Beaglegun,
Check your e-mail and/or TBN messages.

I think I have some info that could help.

 

[beaglegun]

My tractor is a JD 3038E MFWD with front loader.
The wheels are 6 lug. Front: 14X7 Rear: 19.5X12.25
Industrial Tires. Front: 25X8.50-14 4PR, R4 Rear: 15-19.5 4PR, R4
4 9/16" diameter center hole in front and rear wheels, 3" spacing from lug 1 to lug 2, 6" diameter spacing from lug 1 to lug 4
Link to tractor specs below
beaglegun@yahoo.com

John Deere products for homeowners: Features for 3038E Compact Tractor (37.1 hp)

 

[Reg]

Here is what "MIGHT" work out for you.
27x8.5-15 front
41x14.00-20 rear

Here's the "MIGHT" part;

These are factory option R3s on a tractor that has;
19.5x15 rear (same as yours)
27x8.5-15 front (a bit bigger than yours)
as its R4 choice.
Not QUITE what you have at the moment, but could still be within tolerance.
Worst case; you could use the rears and do ...xyz... on the fronts.

You would need to find out if the rolling circumference ratio of these is same/similar to your R4s.
Absolute rolling circumferences don't matter, ratios might - if you use 4WD.
I don't have access to Goodyearag (Now Titan) or Firestoneag web sites right now, but what you want to know is the ratio of the rolling circumference of what you have - and how close the above tires come to that.

So, some figgerin' to be figgered (-:

OTOH, lead/lag may not matter AT ALL for your stated purpose, i.e. lawn/turf work.
If you are always on relatively flat terrain with good traction available you probably never need 4WD anyway, i.e. the fronts freewheel and circumference ratios don't matter.
{Except maybe when climbing onto a wet metal trailer ramp, but for 20 ft or so it likely wouldn't matter}


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An aside question;
How come your tires aren't metric sized ?
Just about everything in tires is now, even Ag tires - with references to closest "old" imperial measurements.
This is a fairly new tractor, right ?
It seems a bit odd - unless your dealer shoved some old stock wheels on it.
Gee, I would take it back and complain on those grounds alone - it might get me a wheel swap (-:
{BTW, while you have those wheels off, can you put R3s on instead ?}

 

[beaglegun]

I want to trade my industrial tires and wheels for turf tires and wheels.
I believe only 3038e and 3032e tires and wheels will work.
I only have 60 hour on my tractor.

My tractor is a JD 3038E MFWD with front loader.
The wheels are 6 lug. Front: 14X7 Rear: 19.5X12.25
Industrial Tires. Front: 25X8.50-14 4PR, R4 Rear: 15-19.5 4PR, R4
4 9/16" diameter center hole in front and rear wheels, 3" spacing from lug 1 to lug 2, 6" diameter spacing from lug 1 to lug 4

Turf Tire Sizes For 3038E:
27x8.50-15 4PR Front R3 Turf
41x14.0-20 4PR Rear R3 Turf

Link to tractor specs below
502 640-0186


John Deere products for homeowners: Features for 3038E Compact Tractor (37.1 hp)

 

[ironwood]

No doubt you have solved your issue by now, but I am looking to swap turfs for R4's my unit is a 955, and it looks like a direct swap.

Ironwood