Your last generator Maintenance Run

[3930dave]

Sounds about what I'd do (short of high ground-water season(s) here) subh.....

Even non-3rd World (or California) grids will sometimes swing noticeably. Your comment reminded me of (brand escapes me...) pics people have posted of seemingly reliable compact LCD displays you can plug into a 120 outlet, to continuously display voltage.

I have DMMs and a newish ups that will display at the press of a button, but That ^ compact display in a commonly used part of the house seems like a great idea...... Not looking for X decimal place accuracy, just knowing what Normal Voltage "looks" like is a good reflex.....

Rgds, D.

 

[subhunter]

Average week the power switches off and back on a lot. Storms are
another story. I like to see the V on high demand heat/cooling days.
I also have two Furman AC-215A.

 

[3930dave]

Average week the power switches off and back on a lot. Storms are
another story. I like to see the V on high demand heat/cooling days.
I also have two AC-215A.

Racked, no less; impressive. Thanks for the Model 411.

Too many things need my attention (Squirrel !!!), but probably the reason i haven't picked up one of the cheapy small ones, is some things are built a little too cheap.... not what I really want (from a Safety standpoint. Low accuracy is one thing, letting smoke out, another....). Or.. just forgot to .

Rgds, D.

 

[subhunter]

Those two Furman's are built like tanks. The AC-215A is on Amazon for $149 right now. Not a bad price for what you are getting. On sale $120-130 is a good price. My PL-PLUS is old I got it on sale for $230.

 

[3930dave]

Thanks for the price points.... dropped what I could find onto my Amazon.ca list.

215A here is $252 CAD. Only DMC I pulled up here was the

Furman PL-Pro DMC 20 @ $780 CAD.​

I see the 15A DMC in the info table ^, but not pulling a linked product.

The DMC 20 is a bit rich for my blood, but I can see where these fit, even in a mid-range or better home-theatre setup, then obviously recording studios etc.....

Good resilience/survive-ability in sketchy-power land.....

If I suddenly got slightly rich, and decided to build something $$$$ AV wise, these are good options to review, alongside mid-market+ UPS units.....

Rgds, D.

 

[subhunter]

from amzn ca . Your prices are high. I would have a hard time paying $250-275 for the PL-Plus DMC . I would just buy the AC-215A's. I really like those. The M-8Dx is another option.

 

[3930dave]

from amzn ca . Your prices are high. I would have a hard time paying $250-275 for the PL-Plus DMC . I would just buy the AC-215A's. I really like those. The M-8Dx is another option.

8dx here is $315.62 CAD. 9 outlets is nice, and the lights made me smile.... reminded me of having to "borrow" sheet-note lights from the stage-band guys, a few lifetimes ago.....

Those 215A have high-voltage shutdown, and perhaps (?) a more resilient surge suppression network than the 8dx, so I can see where you'd like 'em (esp. considering price point) with "bouncy" power.

Long ago, I could find actual metal-case no-name power bars, with no-suppression onboard.... a nice (/recommended sometimes) way to expand the ports on something like those 215A.

Rgds, D.

 

[90cummins]

A storm rolled through last night. The lights flickered and I looked over and saw 126v then it dropped to 109v. I flipped the switches and disconnected everything. I was to tired to care that the power went off. Woke up at 05:07 and the power was on. Glad to get the rain.

This is a good example where a quality battery backup system with pass-thru capabilities can save your voltage critical appliances from low & high voltage fluctuations when you’re not there to take corrective action.
If input voltage exceeds set high/low parameters it will automatically correct the output or disconnect from utility and use the battery power to produce 120/240v for your appliances.
I’m not an electronics guy or electrician so I hope this makes sense!
90cummins for

 

[daugen]

117 volts as PECO tries to keep up on a very hot and humid day here

one of the high end stereo gurus says to get really good sound you need a power conditioner on the AC line
to your equipment.
2000 Watts for ten grand.
if you want your power clean, really, really clean, guess this is what it costs.
bit of an overspec for 99 percent of us I think
but if I had spent a couple hundred grand on a high end stereo, I wouldn't turn on without one of these.

PowerPlant 20

The DirectStream Power Plant 20 is our most powerful AC regenerator ever with 2000 watts of pure regenerated power, and the first to accept both 20 amp and 15 amp power cables. The massive P20 is our finest expression of the art of pure power delivery, providing more than enough power for an...

www.psaudio.com

 

[3930dave]

This is a good example where a quality battery backup system with pass-thru capabilities can save your voltage critical appliances from low & high voltage fluctuations when you’re not there to take corrective action.
If input voltage exceeds set high/low parameters it will automatically correct the output or disconnect from utility and use the battery power to produce 120/240v for your appliances.
I’m not an electronics guy or electrician so I hope this makes sense!
90cummins for

I was still in college, and first saw the strong utility of pairing diesel gens and batteries while working a Summer job. They were a different scale than yours, as they were targeted for very remote sites in Africa, as essentially prime power. The bigger ones were housed in what looked like a sea-can, but on steroids.

You took a lot of care in building up your domestic system, and it is also reflected in the detailed tests you have posted here. The efficiency of your setup gives you very long run times, on not much fuel. Doesn't get much better than that.....

That some/much of that system is outside your normal work-range, is commendable.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

117 volts as PECO tries to keep up on a very hot and humid day here

one of the high end stereo gurus says to get really good sound you need a power conditioner on the AC line
to your equipment.
2000 Watts for ten grand.
if you want your power clean, really, really clean, guess this is what it costs.
bit of an overspec for 99 percent of us I think
but if I had spent a couple hundred grand on a high end stereo, I wouldn't turn on without one of these.

PowerPlant 20

The DirectStream Power Plant 20 is our most powerful AC regenerator ever with 2000 watts of pure regenerated power, and the first to accept both 20 amp and 15 amp power cables. The massive P20 is our finest expression of the art of pure power delivery, providing more than enough power for an...

www.psaudio.com

d - that plug in Vac display - how long have you had it ?

High-end audio.... very deep/expensive rabbit-hole, for sure. My wife's uncle used to subscribe to one of the audiophile print magazines. I enjoyed reading through those mags, but was looking @ very much Out-of-my-pay-grade toys.... The native vocabulary reminded me of people working @ describing wine-tasting.

I'm probably going to pick up that first box that subh described, with 2 output receptacles. Delivers good long-term performance, from a legit company, at a price point I can live with. Part of my interest comes from reading through the Amazon reviews. Some people noticed better streaming experiences with video feeds, using those boxes. I don't have access to a Power Quality Analyzer, so can't be sure how clean my residential power is. I don't experience the frequent outages that subh does, so until this recent discussion hadn't spent a lot of mental ergs on these products....

^ Part of Why, I enjoy hanging out with youse guys !

Rgds, D.

 

[daugen]

so far none of these have burned out/expired; have had half a dozen over the years
on the farm had several in the house, one in barn shop which had my woodworking tools.
wanted to see drop in voltage at turn on for various things, including a portable a/c unit.

Amazon.com

5 bucks a piece for 3 of them
I admit finding voltage interesting is a little strange...

 

[3930dave]

so far none of these have burned out/expired; have had half a dozen over the years
on the farm had several in the house, one in barn shop which had my woodworking tools.
wanted to see drop in voltage at turn on for various things, including a portable a/c unit.

Amazon.com

5 bucks a piece for 3 of them
I admit finding voltage interesting is a little strange...

Thanks d ! Good 411... can't beat that deal.

We should form a club...... "Hi, my name is Dave, and I have a Voltage problem...."

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Ordered those DM55-1 just now. Can't Remember When I've seen a product same price in CAD as USD.... so had to order, before that changed.....

Was a bit confused (doesn't take much) when trying to combine that $14.99 product with a $21 book I wanted, to clear $35. Turns out, I didn't have to..... Total order $14.99, with No Shipping charge.

Slow shipping (I'm OK with that), and I may pay our VAT once it lands, TBD. Perhaps the big A is trying to compete with Ali Express - not my thing so far, but I know plenty of people ordering cheap electronics there....

Rgds, D.

 

[90cummins]

I was still in college, and first saw the strong utility of pairing diesel gens and batteries while working a Summer job. They were a different scale than yours, as they were targeted for very remote sites in Africa, as essentially prime power. The bigger ones were housed in what looked like a sea-can, but on steroids.

You took a lot of care in building up your domestic system, and it is also reflected in the detailed tests you have posted here. The efficiency of your setup gives you very long run times, on not much fuel. Doesn't get much better than that.....

That some/much of that system is outside your normal work-range, is commendable.

Rgds, D.

Thank you!!

 

[subhunter]

Here are two other options.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_340HS908PC/Ethereal-Helios-HS-908PC.html?tp=568

On Amazon -

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS Battery Backup and Surge Protector, 1500VA/1000W, 12 Outlets, AVR, Mini Tower; UL Certified​

 

[3930dave]

Thank you!!

You're welcome !l

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Here are two other options.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_340HS908PC/Ethereal-Helios-HS-908PC.html?tp=568

On Amazon -

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS Battery Backup and Surge Protector, 1500VA/1000W, 12 Outlets, AVR, Mini Tower; UL Certified​

Thanks for those.

Rgds, D.

 

[daugen]

I think the reason the PS Audio product is so expensive is that is is active, not passive. It will correct low voltage, not just alarm on it.
so they call it a power regenerator. It generates 2kw of sine wave power, not just filtering another source and done not by battery power like an inverter. Yes I believe as one of my friends has said this is the audio equivalent of cork sniffers in the wine world...

 

[LouNY]

Here are two other options.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_340HS908PC/Ethereal-Helios-HS-908PC.html?tp=568

On Amazon -

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS Battery Backup and Surge Protector, 1500VA/1000W, 12 Outlets, AVR, Mini Tower; UL Certified​

I have two of the CyberPower 1500 VA units, a new one on my wifes work computer and a several year old model on my router/modem wifi and switch setup.
I'd like to get a bit more battery for my old one but it does about 45 minutes after a power outage. Of course with this new mesh router system only the main unit is ups powered