X-cord for welder

[Sberry]

I got to love the statement, more than one way,, the exact point i am making. This gang rhinks there is only one way.
Another thing, because its a code minimum doesnt mean its inadequate.

 

[Sberry]

Its obvious lots of people here know more than most do despite no real education in the matter other than someone told me.

 

[Sberry]

Absolutely not. You aren't qualified to comment on any logic I use or decisions I make concerning my own property. If I own an item that draws 50 amps and there's a chance I might need it in a given location, running an inadequate circuit to that location is a stupid decision.

I really dont care what you do on your property.

 

[Sberry]

I M talking to people interested in learning a little about how circuits are designed. I wonder why it takes years of study if it was as simple as some make it sound? Why dont we hook all the "220" stuff to 100A and call it a day?
As for sharing a 240 with other stuff, i simply dont do it. I get something new or different and its almost instinct to consider a proper circuit for it and only under extreme duress would come up with some convoulted adapter u see advocated on some of the forums.
I think.other guys simply give up with this. They would rather be liked.

 

[Sberry]

I like to pick on a thread for a day that really deserves it and this is one.
I was at a convention, a bud was lecturng fire science and forensics and knew a couple investigators. I ask about some of this.
Mainly about compressors and welders as these most common in home garages. They said,, despite all the faults some had never seen a fire from the unstall,, the use of yes, the wore on gire about never. I would have thought old connections but they simply fail. Number 1 was electroc heaters and old fuse panels, 2nd was kitchen counter tops in old installs.

 

[Sberry]

A high numberof issues being 2 current carrying conductors undet 1 screw.

 

[the old grind]

I got to love the statement, more than one way, the exact point I am making. (there isn't?) This gang thinks there is only one way. Another thing, because its a code minimum doesn't mean its inadequate.

The 'gang' isn't arguing a best way, just one way, ... or to do things 'minimal' just because it'd work fine for someone else. "My circuits, my choice." (Just being patriotic)

I really don't care what you do on your property.

Well there's one I didn't see coming. How do I get on the list?

 

[Sberry]

Its the insistance that its unsafe if its not wired with a 6 which is faulty. Like i said, , but you dont read that part,,, nothing wrong with it but a guy doesnt have to and there is a between also. I dont use the minimum but that was missed too.
Little like politics where we only read the part we like.

 

[GeneV]

I ain't blocking him, I don't block nobody. Sberry is alright, I ain't mad or anything. Just be cool, dude!

 

[Sberry]

This here thread is about extension cords, in case you didn't notice.

When its plugged in it is part of the circuit. Some of the machines even list the cord limits.
As for all this. I am not surprised some really dont care to learn,,, they already jknow more about this than other people and the people that designed and wrote it.
It doesnt get much notice when someone is nice, and like the delivery or not same people keep coming back to read it.
This is not about personalities, I dont block, I simply wouldnt read it if I didnt want to but what it is about is the same simple answer to the same question by the same people that fundamentally dont know.

 

[Sberry]

You may very well be entirely right, yet I don't care. At all.

This doesnt surprise me,,, kind of the point with this thread. It was obvious before I even add my 5 cents. Its not unique to you.
Here's what I do know: wiring a circuit per code will a) keep things safe, and b) This is true but how would one know what code is? Is it from,,,, I did it this way and mine works so it must be so,,, is it,,, I was always told, is it reading the book and the manual?
When it is explained and compliandt there is always someone got to come along with the version that that aint right, those people dont know what they are doing what if I do this or what if someone does that,,, and total speculation about what an inspector might say despite very little experience with inspected work and code compliant work,,, but,,, there is somneone just sure to offer the op[inion your house will burn down and insurance wont cover it,,,, neither remotely true.

 

[Sberry]

Despite the chances being less than hit by lightening its repeated constantly and with a cheering section.

 

[Sberry]

That's right,and the rathe of lawyers could be on the owner/electrician because the sign prove's they knew the plug posed a risk.

I wonder why the code doesnt require a sign or why they think this is not a problem? Its been this way 75 years and not even a concern till the internet came along. When they invented these welders it was leagal,,, masters installed these by the millions with 10 cable to 50A range side of fuse panels.
They were installed by guys knew the difference between a plug and a recept. In todays world still done and under inspection usually by guys know the difference between 110 and 240.

 

[Sberry]

220,,, 221,,, what ever it takes.

I'd wire it to handle anything I wanted to plug into it. Who wants to install a 240v circuit and not be able to use it?

This is about this statement and not about the guy that wrote it. These circuits are not designed and not intended to plug anything in them. We see this when the subject of adapters come up. I dont believe there is a legal adapter from 6-50 to anything else. There is one from 14-50 to 6-50 but none from 6-50 to lower currents.
I believe the only legal one is 14-50 to 30 travel trailer.
As I elude to the focus is so intense on what if,,, that other aspects are ignored. The as important and maybe more so because its kind of an ambush is that the equipment being plugged in to it is not designed to be plugged in to circuits with a higher breaker.
Guy makes a 50 to 20 and it now lets equipment that was designed to be current limited plugged on to a 50 breaker. The tool still draws the same current but is not fault protected. Its simply why they dont allow common 120 on 30A even if you use 10 wire in the circuit. Its why they allow 16 cords on a 20A, load limited by the appliance and not the breaker. In the case of xmas lights the modern ones add a fuse, the old ones did use more current but the wire had to be sized for faults.