Will UAW Strike?

/ Will UAW Strike? #982  
I've NEVER considered ANY assembly line job to be a skilled position. In my view, installing a bolt into a hole and using a pre set torque tool to install it don't take much, of any acquired skill at all, even though the union is demanding skilled labor wages for what is basically an unskilled job.

At least for me, ANY assembly line job would be horribly boring and require little intelligence to master anyway.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #983  
The companies are using temps as a way to skirt having to support their workers. Similar to Amazon's abuse of contractors.

The reason these jobs dont have the bargaining power is because they are NOT Skilled.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #984  
UAW members grow weary five weeks into strike, supply starts to thin

It sounds like the $500 a week in the holiday shopping season is impacting some lives.
Gale: Keep in mid that a lot of them were financially dependent on the OT wages because typically, auto workers are pizz poor mangers of their personal finances. 500 hundred a week don't even pay their mortgage payment let alone their utilities and 'toy' payments either. I got a kick out of the comment the guy being interviewed made about being 'Gung Ho' the first week but now the reality has settled in and no more 'Gung Ho' now.

Lots of good deals around here on FB Marketplace and Craigs List as they attempt to get out from under the liens that are suffocating them on their 500 a week pittance.

Do I feel any compassion for them? Heck no.

Far as I'm concerned, the strike needs to go on for a LONG time or at least until the Union rank and file becomes so disenchanted with Fain, they boot him out and get a Union leader with some sense of dealing with the not so big 3 and bargain in good faith, which is NOT what Fain is doing presently.

Like I said long ago (because I know), Fords at least is committed to breaking the union, though they won't say that out loud and candidly, I have no issue with it at all. Fords have made their best offer to Fain and Fain has rejected it so we get to see how long the UAW can survive.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #985  
Personally, I disagree with 5030 regarding his take on the skill level of most production jobs. Just like I would say many people don’t think a truck driver has much skill other than the ablity to shift some gears and steer 80,000 pound rig down the road.

How many times have you heard the statement “stupid truck driver”?

Every job has a person it needs to be filled with, and that person has to have some level of skill to do it, it takes the right person to be able to fill a position on the line that will not get bored doing the repetitive work to do the job with quality and accuracy and make sure that each component is properly installed.

Personally, I feel 5030 is the dehumanizing a very large portion of the workforce, making his very broad statements.

I personally have done everything between Construction maintenance production, and my last role was 30 years in factory management, and I feel each employee from janitor to manager, needs to be respected in their roles!
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #986  
It's not a matter of respect. It takes 4 years to make a union electican. It takes less than 6 weeks to teach many production jobs.

my current job, I spend a lot of time taking the skill out of production jobs with automation.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #987  
So, I will say, I'm not disrespecting the work; just the not working part. I also don't think mass manufacture is nearly as skilled as shop/trades, where there is a Lot of 'figuring it out'. Not sure I'm saying it right, but work deserves respect, whether it's fast food, shovel man on a paver, CEO, ect. I would probably put line manufacture as a semi skilled labor, which there is nothing wrong with, and the world needs semi skilled labor. Where I differ is on semi skilled labor demanding to be paid like skilled labor.

I also see unions in a bit of a different light; if a group of businesses did what they do, it would be called collusion, and people would be arrested.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #988  
Jobs on the line may not be as interchangeable as some might think.

Line workers that can truly be dropped into any slot and not slow production are valued.

A problem a manager I know at GM/Toyota had is some were only acceptable performing certain tasks…
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #990  
It's one thing to play poker with your own money when it comes supporting your own family, but it's something else to play poker with thousands of other people's livelihoods, especially when they don't have deep pockets to absorb the loss.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #992  
Take construction; you have labor, semi skilled labor, skilled labor, foremen, superintendents, project managers. Not every 'electrician' needs to be able to wire a box, or diagnose a problem; most need to run wire, set boxes, install switches/outlets; you really only need one guy per crew who is what I would called truly skilled labor. Most stuff is like that.

A grade crew, gonna have a shovel guy or two[unskilled] (who can hop on a roller, clean curbs, pull a string line, spot utilities, back up dump trucks), a loader man [semi skilled] (push rock/dirt, load trucks, pick up windrows with out gouging the base), and a dozer or grader man [normally riding the fence between skilled and foreman/superintendent]; the shovel guys are 100% replaceable (although, hard to find nowadays); the loader man, he can be replaced or a shovel guy moved up, but you'll miss the operator; the grader guy, worth his wait in gold; he gets a DUI, you give the loader man a truck and tell him he has to pick up graderman, he gets locked up for beating with girlfriend, you bail him out; although replaceable, the job comes to a screaming halt until he is replaced.

The admin world is the same way; everyone can be replaced but some, it's difficult.

The advantage of mass manufacturing, they can have a simple repetitive, training program, where guys can simply plugged in, trained, and the whole process moves on. Now, as you move up from the base floor line, your guys keeping parts, tools, ect coming in on time/repaired/replaced, much harder to plug and play.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #993  
Where unions Really could/can be good for the company, themselves, and their workers; if (and some do) they provide training, drug screening, self policing, where they can provide quality workers to companies in need, with a certain level of guaranteed skill. For that to work well, for everyone's benefit; the union needs to root out the lazy, addicts, BSers, and Yes, companies would happily pay a premium for that.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #994  
In this situation, the question is whether the top union guy is either really smart or really lucky. It doesn't seem like the best timing to strike for higher wages when a recession might just be around the corner.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #995  
Fain gets paid no matter what I imagine. I just don't feel he's in touch with the reality of current economics. As the strike continues on, I have to winder how much the rank and file will take before they remove Fain. Time will tell I guess.

In the meantime, there are some really good deals popping up on FB and CL as the union members are attempting to get 'out from under' toys they can no longer afford. Myself, I'm not in the market for anything anyway.

As a rule, I refrain from buying anything used, especially used stuff owned by autoworkers because most of them don't take good care of their 'toys' anyway.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #996  
/ Will UAW Strike? #998  
"especially used stuff owned by autoworkers because most of them don't take good care of their 'toys' anyway."

Based on???
Thanks for asking the question I also have. When he shares that with us, I am sure that it is going to be very revealing.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #999  
Disagree. If the job can be done by temp, nothing wrong with that. Hopefully it will break the unions over time. The idea that someone who needs work should turn down work, so they don't disrupt a bunch of privileged union guys is ridiculous.
It sure is, but also, they shouldn't get upset if someone calls them a scab.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #1,000  

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