Will UAW Strike?

/ Will UAW Strike? #272  
Plus that time frame was when GM killed off the EV1. That woke up Nissan who has had Lithium ion battery EVs on the road starting in 1997 which was 26 years ago. Elon Musk said if GM had moved the EV1 forward he would have focused more on Mars. GM was helpful by selling Musk the Fremont car factory cheap. China needed EVs in the worst way and that is why the rest of the world is looking to China today as the the world looked to Japan 50 years ago.
My Dad's last stint of working was as a contractor with GM in the 90's when the EV1 was developing and being rolled out. He was in his mid-late 60's at the time and working on their military vehicle programs. I would go out of my way to take him back and forth to work if I was working anywhere nearby. And I remember him specifically pointing them out to me on several occasions while we were on GM property. He surprised me at the time by being a fan of that program. His specialty was heavy vehicle suspensions, brakes, and air systems.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #274  
I know more than I should know about Fords game plan and I won't allude to it on any forum, including this one. I was made privy to it by my BIL but told not to say much, so I won't but suffice to say that when the 'rubber meets the road, Fords' is prepared to do what in needs to do to stay viable and I'll leave it at that. Said too much in previous posts that I got chastised for as it is. My BIL reads this forum, not that owns a tractor because he don't. He has a hired grounds keeper.

Fain is insane 'Insane Fain' works. What I wonder is, how long will the UAW hierarchy support Fain once the strike fund runs out of money. After all, money is the root of evil, especially when it comes to unions. They (unions) have a penchant for pizzing away funds on frivolous stuff that has no direct bearing on potential strike funding and always have. Good example is the Teamsters and the dwindling retiree pension fund.

The rank and file are all boisterous and full of themselves presently but I'm curious to see how they will be once the strike funding is depleted and they have to eek out an existence on something that don't even come close to what the make at any unionized plant today, in fact much, much less, if anything at all.

Flipping burgers at McDees or stocking the shelves at WallyWorld don't cut it for them, but it may in the end and I don't see many of the non union builders absorbing many of the unionized auto workers because those companies don't want to deal with that union attitude in the first place. It has no place there.

I am profoundly grateful that this don't impact me or my family one bit. For us, life goes on just like it did yesterday and the day before.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #275  
5030,

A lot wrong here but you stated that the firm you worked for "paid the union's scale".
Who do you think established that?

The $110,000 per year you pulled down, plus benefits in todays dollars would be more than $284,250 dollars. So maybe the UAW is not asking that much.

To worry about conglomerates hurting in the year 2023, when all financial gains bubble up to the top 1/10th 0f 1% is laughable.

But you do you, after you have locked out those that come behind you.

regards,

R
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #277  
Those that get locked out do concern me at the age of 72 because that is the majority. Our kids are about to turn 26 and there a large number that struggle with rent and transportation. Forms of slavery still exists today for people that can't see better days through better ways. People without hope tend to shut down or act out. Both can be bad for the future of society and the individuals.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #278  
/ Will UAW Strike? #279  
I Talked With UAW Workers On The Picket Line In Front Of The Ford Bronco Plant. Here's What They Had To Say - The Autopian

I found this helpful coming from the troops in the trenches. I'm not sure everyone got the memo that globalization meant the higher income countries would be moving to a lower standard of living so we could pull up the lower level countries that had never met with success at the people level.
Great post.

How many of us would like to set our wages based on what people in other countries are willing to do the job for?

A guy living in India could do my job for 1/4 my pay and live large, and if I reduced my pay by 50% I'd still be 100% more expensive than him. That's not a position I want to bargain from.
 
/ Will UAW Strike? #280  
I'm gonna throw some food for thought out here. You lived and worked in the heart of union country at a time that unions were strong. Your employer was also located there. Is it possible that he may have found it was necessary to pay very well if he wanted to attract good people and keep them from leaving for union jobs? If so, like it or not, you directly benefitted from the existence of labor unions in your area.

If those union jobs were not around, do you think your employer would have compensated you near as generously? History says the answer is no,

If look back though 20th century history, labor unions, labor laws, safety rules, and environmental laws all came into existence because of consistent patterns of abuse by companies and employers prior to external regulations. The safe and civil workplace we all expect was created through regulation and government intervention, not employer benevolence. FDR and the new deal congress were a huge part of initiating that progress.
I agree but (BIG BUT), unions have outlived their usefulness. They were the motivating vehicle back in the 20's through 50's but today, all they are is a weight on the free enterprise system that causes companies to close their doors.

Again, YRC is a prime example. UPS agreed to the Teamsters demands but raised their package rate to offset it so it now costs you more to ship the same. See, in the end, you, as a consumer pays the freight with no choice. Same with the Post Office. First Class Stamps have increased in cost every year with no increase in services rendered. In fact quality of service has declined of anything.

The part of your comment I bolded is key to the entire 'what is going down' today.

When a company or corporation becomes so entwined with any union, that the union is dictating their very existence, it's time for one of 2 things to happen. Either the company declares bankruptcy and reorganizes as a non union entity or it ceases doing business entirely. Only 2 avenues to take.

I'll let you decide which one Fords will take. I already know but again, I'm not saying anything. Whatever Fords decides, it will be the template for the other domestic automakers as well because Fords has been 'nominated' to lead this.

The real issue is with the T2 and T3 suppliers, most of which are not union and in reality, employ substantially more worker bees than all the automakers combined and it will adversely impact their ability to supply the non union automakers with intrinsic parts as well If you think (wrongly) that Toyota or Nissan or any non union southern RTW state located auto builder builds their sub assemblies and necessary parts in house, your are totally mistaken because all of them source parts and sub assemblies from the same outfits that build for Fords, GM and Stellantis and curtailment of those parts will negatively impact their businesses, some to the point of ceasing doing business entirely and laying off masses of workers that will negatively impact the fragile economy as well.

Like Ronald Regan said... Trickle Down Economy. It's gonna trickle down right to you...and me.

Gonna let it ride for a few days and let the chips fall where they may... or may not.
 

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