Who do I ask for help?

   / Who do I ask for help? #21  
Spooky getting older isn't it. Personally, I don't want to move to a more city-like area. I like the cold, don't want N.C, or Florida. I enjoy working in the woods. Problem is I'm 62, with one new knee, needing the other too. My wife is having a hard time with the stairs. This is really becoming a problem that we keep putting off.
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #22  
"..Spooky getting older isn't it..."



It s___s. Big time.


I have a couple for kayaks and a solo canoe I built, but have not used in the last (3) years or so. I am not even sure I would be able to climb into the things anymore.

But whenever I think about the future for us, I think about in the context of us being two old people. * And I have to adjust my day dreaming to accommodate that.
And probably the thing that worries me most is driving. My father, in his 80's, can really no longer drive, and my mother can't really handle driving at night. Hopefully that
issue is still several years off for us, but it is something I think about.






*Don't tell my wife I wrote that.
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #23  
I called an architect this morning and ask if he was the one to evaluate the current foundation to determine if it was sound. He said he could ($150/hr) but I'd probably get just as good advice for free from a contractor specializing in foundation and slab repair. I have a guy coming Friday for a look-see and estimate. If this house is sound, or can be made that way reasonably, we're leaning on doing that and adding on to the back for craft room, master br and bath/utility room. I'll let you know when I know more. Steve

Get a minimum of 3 preferably 5 contractors inspections and input. You will be surprised how opinions differ within the same industry. What one builder might found totally unacceptable will be a non-issue for another. Not everyone have the same standards and convictions. That is why there is a building code, where the state decide what is the minimum standard (code) needed for approval.

Wish you all the best. Now that we have no longer stairs, life is better and less accidents.
 
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#24  
Well, the foundation guy came and went. He says, since it's a wood foundation the only way to level the house is to replace the entire foundation with block!. Ballpark estimate is out of sight. He said he'd get back Tuesday with a firm bid after he talked to his boss. I get the feeling he doesn't want to touch the job, being it's wood foundation. I'm waiting now for local contractor who's familiar with wood to stop by and chat. We're really would like to stay in this house on this site with necessary additions/modifications. Also going to contact other basement-specific contractors out of the big city for a chat.
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #25  
It might be cheaper to have a concrete foundation and basement built near your current home, then hire house jackers to move your house onto the new foundation. People do that here when saving old houses that are sitting on shallow (5'-6'), stacked granite rock basements.

You can live in your house while the new foundation is being built. You would probably have to vacate for a week or so when it's moved to the new foundation. There is a good chance of being able to hook into your existing septic system and well without a lot of expense.

The new foundation could include any expansion plans too.
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #26  
Well, the foundation guy came and went. He says, since it's a wood foundation the only way to level the house is to replace the entire foundation with block!. Ballpark estimate is out of sight. He said he'd get back Tuesday with a firm bid after he talked to his boss. I get the feeling he doesn't want to touch the job, being it's wood foundation. I'm waiting now for local contractor who's familiar with wood to stop by and chat. We're really would like to stay in this house on this site with necessary additions/modifications. Also going to contact other basement-specific contractors out of the big city for a chat.

Ah. Wood foundations. Since he is not familiar with them he is going to want to use what he does know. Google has lots of information on wood foundations. I read this link years ago and it might helpful, Permanent Wood Foundations - Southern Pine

Later,
Dan
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #27  
A friend had his old farmhouse jacked up and a new foundation poured underneath it. You might consider talking to another contractor.
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #28  
guess I don't under the wood foundation, especially for a house built in the 80's. Is the house built on grade? or built like a pole building?
I would add on a 1st floor MBR to eliminate the immediate problem of the stairs.
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #29  
<snip> ..I'm looking for a local expert to look at our situation and help us see the advantages/disadvantages of these choices, as well as possibly offering other suggestions. Who do I call? Contractor? Realtor? Architect? All the above? Any suggestions you may want to offer will be appreciated.

I would talk to a realtor and a general contractor. First, the contractor to get a rough idea of what an add-on would cost. And then to a realtor to see what they think your house is worth, would be worth with the addition, and what other houses are available that would possibly suit you.

Lastly, I used to do remodeling and additions, and I will mention that you shouldn't be 'in the middle of a construction zone' for long, as a lot of the work could be done from the outside. Even with the walls framed and dried in, sheetrock can be put through windows, etc., such that until it gets to the wall and floor finishes, they shouldn't have to be going in and out of the house much. They could also be instructed to put up a temporary plastic wall (referred to as a zipwall) inside the house just before the doorway that goes to the new addition, so it would keep almost all dust contained to the construction area. I have done many jobs like a master suite and was in and out within 60 days.

Good luck!
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #30  
I'm a contractor and I do a lot of remodels for people getting older with concerns about mobility. One of my specialties is creating a walk in shower that does not have a lip or a door. You could get into it with a walker or a chair, or just walk in without worrying about tripping. Not knowing your finances, or the situation in your house, just based on what you have said, putting money into the current house would be a mistake.

My thinking is that you need an easy to get into house, which means no stairs anywhere. You need wide doors, halls and bathrooms. Space is what allows you to get to where you want to be if you are in a chair or using assistance.

I think that a metal shop building would be the most cost effective way to do this. Hire a reputable company to erect the building with all the plumbing done for the bathrooms and kitchen. Get the architect to work with standard sized buildings, something like 40x60. Then once the building is done, you cane either hire a General Contractor to finish off the interior, or hire each of the trades yourself to get it done. I'm currently working with a guy who has a 30x40 building that he is doing this with. One bedroom, one bathroom and a very open floor of kitchen, dining and living areas. You could drive a golf cart around in there!!!

Eddie
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #31  
Steve,

Not that this helps you, we built are home with age in mind. Mind you we built a home with 2 stories on a basement. In my early working days in construction, I learned that one of the most expensive costs of an add on elevator was the remodel work to make the chase. On top of that you most always lose a room on each floor. When we designed our hone we incorporated a 7' by 7' shaft next to our stair case. Our home is made of steel and concrete so I knew now was the time. On all three floors, we have a giant closet. When the day comes I can't climb the stairs and I want to stay here, I'll knock out the temp floor and be ready for the install. I'd be fine if I never need to....

The chase was also very handy to run electrical and plumbing.
 
   / Who do I ask for help? #32  
I saw this thread last week and I made a mental note to chime in. I'm younger than most on this forum (38), but I have older parents. My father was born in '31, my mother in '35. This will be a long story, but I think it's important to make my point.

They built the house I was born/grew up in in 1969. It was their dream home. A big, sprawling ranch on a bit over an acre on the local public golf course. My mother was in the garden club, so it was extensively landscaped. I was very fortunate to get to live in it as a kid.

Fast-forward a few years and my parents were getting into their 70's, but they were in great health. My father golfed six days a week and my mother spent a couple hours a day tending flowerbeds. Still, my mother started to get worried about the upkeep of the big house (2500 sq. ft. on the main floor and a full basement) and the accessibility issues. See, even though it was a ranch, the laundry/sewing room was in the basement (and the stairs to the basement had a short-run, so they could be treacherous). The master suite had a bathroom, but it had a tub, not a walk-in shower. The house had an attached garage, but you had to go up a flight of stairs to the front porch (outside) to get into the house. There was no way to get into or out of the house without at least five steps. There was a sump in the basement, so they had to make sure to run a generator any time they lost power to keep the basement from flooding. On top of that, it was just a ton of square feet for my mother to keep clean, thousands of square feet of flowerbeds requiring hundreds of hours a year of work to keep up, a relatively big lawn to keep mowed, and a very long drive to keep cleared.

My father tried to placate my mother by telling her that, when the time came, they could turn one of the upstairs bedrooms into a main-floor laundry. They could have the bathroom remodeled to include a walk-in shower. They could get a proper generator wired-up. He put her off for a few years, clearly getting frustrated when she brought up wanting to move into town. I think that, for my father, that house was what he had to show for all his hard work and the years he scrimped/saved/sacrificed to raise six kids on a modest salary. I never thought of Dad as a sentimental guy, but I think he was too attached to let it go.

Finally in about 2009-2010, my father started to see that they weren't taking as good care of the house as they always had. It just gets harder when you get older, I suppose. The house was going to need a lot of work in the next several years, just when they didn't want to be doing it. On top of that, most of the required remodeling would be expensive and the layout of the house often meant that the result wouldn't be ideal.

So my father finally (begrudgingly) conceded and they (well, my Mom...) started to look for a new home in town. Then, just before the 4th of July in 2011, my father had a stroke. He lived just long enough for his six children to get into town to say our goodbyes.

Now my elderly Mother was faced with being alone, four miles outside of town, in an older house that was way too big for her to take care of by herself. The closer children (I'm about the closest at around a 3 hour drive) tried to make sure that someone was there every weekend to help. My brothers and I pitched in to take care of the finances (Dad did all that), mow the lawn, change furnace filters, fix leaky faucets, and on and on. It was very hard to have someone there every week (and my Dad used to mow twice a week!), so eventually we hired help to take care of the lawn and clear the drive. Still, my mother would talk about how hard it was for her to keep up with the weeding or to vacuum that much space, etc. In late 2011, she fell at the bottom of the steps down from the front porch, tore up her face, and broke a tooth. That was the final straw.

It took us quite awhile, but in 2012 we got her house sold and moved her into a 3BR, 2BA condo with a 1-car garage in town. Everything is on one level (the condo is a duplex on a crawl-space), the master bath has a walk-in shower, etc.

It was incredibly hard for my mother to downsize. She'd spent 43 years filling every nook and cranny in that house and it showed! It broke my heart to see her struggling to decide which of her precious collectibles she'd take with her and which had to go. I was as understanding as I could be, but we had a deadline for the move and a very finite amount of space to move into. I'd ask her which (of the >50!) tea kettles she wanted to keep and she'd look shocked and say, "All of them!" Then I'd explain that all those tea kettles would fill every cabinet at the condo and she'd have no room for dishes. My sister (supervising from a thousand miles away...) would call me and yell at me for being mean to her by telling her she had to get rid of stuff. It was horrible, and I am certain it would have gone better if she'd had my Father there to lean on.

Then, the first winter she was in the new condo she was trying to shovel the front walk (despite having someone to do that for her...), slipped on the ice, and broke her hip. Had that happened in the old house, she might have died of exposure. Thankfully, one of her neighbors in the condo development saw her fall and she got help right away. The recovery was a bit slow (and she's still not back to 100% of where she was before she fell), but she was able to take care of herself much sooner thanks to the fully-accessible condo. It would have been months before she could have lived in a home that required steps and didn't have a walk-in shower.

Since then, my brothers and I put in hardwood flooring in the bedrooms, remodeled both bathrooms with heated tile, put in custom closets, remodeled the kitchen with tile throughout, granite counters and new appliances with her needs in mind and had the entire place painted. My mother LOVES her new community. She spends all day gossipping in turn with all the other retirees in the condos up and down her road. She'll have one neighbor over for tea, then another for wine, then her bridge group over to play cards and have snacks. She's probably as busy as I am! She's a very short drive to church and the stores in town. We were watching her withdraw and fade-away at the old house, and she's really thriving in her new life at the condo.

So please, please start thinking about your future sooner than later. Eddie is right. Don't mess around trying to make your old house work because of your sentimental attachment to it. Figure out what you should have, don't make any compromises, and do it! If your wife wants to move somewhere warmer, you may want to just keep your current home up for a few more years while you take care of your mother and then move. But if your long-term plan is to stay in town, or if your budget would allow two moves, then now is the time! Don't wait, because you may not have the luxury of time you think you do!
 

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