Whats going on with the PT429

[3238dpw]

I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about the project Power Trac was working on with the EFI 29hp engine in the 425 chassis. I looked for the thread where this was first talked about but could not find it.

 

[kcook]

I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about the project Power Trac was working on with the EFI 29hp engine in the 425 chassis. I looked for the thread where this was first talked about but could not find it.

I think this is what your were looking for

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/power-trac/125624-new-design-400-series.html

KC

 

[SnowRidge]

If they are talking about a FI replacement for the current PT-425 engine, that's one thing, but if they are thinking about another model, to be priced between the PT-425 and the PT-1430, I don't see it selling that well.

Currently, the 1430 is $6500 more than the 425, but there is a lot of value for the additional money. You get a premium diesel with 30 real horses, as opposed to the phony ratings of the gas engine makers. You also get a lot more tractor. The 1430 weighs almost twice as much as a 425.

If that price gap were narrowed with a new gas powered T8 series offering, I think potential buyers would have a hard time convincing themselves to buy the premium gas powered version, instead of the adequate 425 or the superior 1430.

 

[BobRip]

My reason for buying the p429 would be compatibility with 422/425 attachments. I have over $8000 in attachments. I could take a 1430 and put an adapter on it for 422/425 attachments. Of course we don't know if the 429 is attachment compatible with 422/425. Is everyone convinced that the 1430 is a really good machine. I don't hear a lot about it.

 

[3238dpw]

Bob I knew this would catch your attention sooner or later. If the 429 is roughly a 425 with a bigger motor and hyd to match I would be interested in a 429 also, for a few reasons. As stated earlier it would be lighter than a 1430. Also it would be smaller. Both are important for my lawn business. I need to be able to fit into some pretty small places and being light on the lawn is always good. I love the size of my machine, but I need more power. Plus as Bob pointed out current attachments would fit. I have been very interested in this ever since the rumor surfaced. Reading about Scarg's success (see link) with his version of a 429 before his pump problem has me chomping at the bit to see one and hear a review. I wish he didn't give up on it. Does anyone know what happened to his machine?

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/power-trac/110268-pt-429-project-2.html#post1273741

 

[kjm3232]

Is everyone convinced that the 1430 is a really good machine. I don't hear a lot about it.[/QUOTE]

bob, i have the 1430 and think its a great machine. For what i want it to do and for what I have already done with it i dont think a 425 would have been able to do the same amount of work in the same amount of time i have in the projects i've done and are still working on.

 

[Bob999]

Is everyone convinced that the 1430 is a really good machine. I don't hear a lot about it.

Many of the threads on this board start out with a problem. Maybe the reason we don't hear much about the 1430 is that the owners aren't having a problem.

 

[bbabineau]

Maybe you have hit the nail on the head. My 1430 now has 250 hours and a new wheel motor under warranty is the only problem that I have had. I love the machine and it has been good to me. The project list is extensive and I have used it somehow for each and every one.

 

[RegL]

Over 1000 hrs.on my 1430. I have replaced one wheel motor( can be repaired. just leaked.) Replaced starter that burned up and a couple flat tires. I work the crap out of it and it just keeps on going.

 

[farm23]

I bought a 1430 because the gas 425 was limited to 25 degrees of slope. It has over 250 hard hours in 2 years and no mechanical problems except the front wheel motors were replaced under warranty. I do not like trying to get the parking brake off when on steep slopes and will probably modify the handle at some point.

The 429 would be a good idea if it has an oil pump so it can be used on slopes but it may end up being too close in price to the 1430 to be cost effective.

 

[Red Zebra]

Why wouldn't something like this work??? Assuming one could find a motor with similar dimensions as the robin and would bolt up.

Kohler Command V-Twin Horizontal Engine with Electric Start — 27 HP, 1 7/16in. x 4 29/64in. Shaft, Model# CH740-0013 | 27 HP | Northern Tool + Equipment

Or better yet:

Kohler 38 HP OHV Engine — Model# CH980S | 38 HP | Northern Tool + Equipment

Well, one can dream....

 

[BobRip]

I bought a 1430 because the gas 425 was limited to 25 degrees of slope. It has over 250 hard hours in 2 years and no mechanical problems except the front wheel motors were replaced under warranty. I do not like trying to get the parking brake off when on steep slopes and will probably modify the handle at some point.

The 429 would be a good idea if it has an oil pump so it can be used on slopes but it may end up being too close in price to the 1430 to be cost effective.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the 1430. The quiet on the machine is a good sign and it sounds like everyone is happy. I could get it and build an adapter for the 422/425 attachments. I might also get a few 1430 attachments like the 4 in 1 bucket. Any suggestions on this. What 422/425 attachments would be a poor choice for the 1430?

 

[SnowRidge]

Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the 1430. The quiet on the machine is a good sign and it sounds like everyone is happy. I could get it and build an adapter for the 422/425 attachments. I might also get a few 1430 attachments like the 4 in 1 bucket. Any suggestions on this. What 422/425 attachments would be a poor choice for the 1430?

Forks. The 1430's are adjustable. They are much more versatile than the fixed 425 forks, which are also a bit short for my taste. Sales told me that PT has provided 1430 forks on 425 QA plates for some people.

 

[MossRoad]

I've bent the living heck out of my PT425 forks many times, so on a larger machine, they would not do well at all.

 

[SnowRidge]

I've bent the living heck out of my PT425 forks many times, so on a larger machine, they would not do well at all.

How in the world did you manage to bend them, Moss? The forks and the light materials bucket are about the only things PT-425 related that haven't bent or broken on me.

 

[cqaigy2]

How in the world did you manage to bend them, Moss? The forks and the light materials bucket are about the only things PT-425 related that haven't bent or broken on me.

He's very inventive!

 

[Central_PA_Chris]

Is it only the attachment plate that keeps attachments from one being used from the 425 to the 1430? No hydraulic system differences?

Thanks,
Chris

 

[SnowRidge]

Is it only the attachment plate that keeps attachments from one being used from the 425 to the 1430? No hydraulic system differences?

Thanks,
Chris

The 1430 has a 12 GPM PTO versus 8 GPM for the 425. Both are 2500 PSI. I don't know if the QDs are the same or not.

 

[bbabineau]

Thanks to everyone for the feedback on the 1430. The quiet on the machine is a good sign and it sounds like everyone is happy. I could get it and build an adapter for the 422/425 attachments. I might also get a few 1430 attachments like the 4 in 1 bucket. Any suggestions on this. What 422/425 attachments would be a poor choice for the 1430?

I have the 4 in 1 and often think I would be further ahead with a standard bucket and maybe a light material bucket plus a grapple. I have not found the PT 4 in 1 to be as versatile as advertised.

 

[ponytug]

I often think that when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I think this is very much a YMMV issue, depending upon what you do with the tractor.

I have the 4N1 and the LMB, and the 4N1 is probably my most used attachment by a factor of 3-4. Almost none of my projects are light enough for the LMB. A grapple would be nice for brush removal and pruning, but so far, I haven't had to do a lot of it.

I use the 4N1 for dragging (back blade) and leveling (clam shell open) corals, and roads, , applying gravel and mulching materials (false bottom mode, which I find very useful, since I can see exactly where the material is going to go, unlike the LMB or regular bucket), and I use it as a bucket for heavy materials, wet clay, gravel, etc. I have used it to trench down to a broken pipe in wet soil and to make small sloped drainage ditches, and terraces. On my 1445, it is sized such that wet clay soil or granitic gravel is right at the upper end of the lift capabilities. The LMB is too large to handle my soils, but it does great with mulch.

The 4N1 seems to hold about 0.5 cu yard, and the LMB about 1 cu. yard. (At least on the 1445, the 1430 is 54" wide instead of 60, but I don't know how much the height and depth change.)

The one thing that I can't seem to do well is use the blade in a push mode: it seems to catch the soil, the blade digs in, and the tractor suddenly stops. Did I mention that the soil is very very hard here?

Given how hard my 1445 works, and it works really well, I am really impressed at all of the work that gets done by the green machines.

Bob: converting the 1430 to use your existing attachments is easy, except for the trencher, bush hog, and stump grinder which are setup for a lower flow PTO. Then again, a 429 might have a higher output PTO, which would have the same issue....

All the best,

Peter

I have the 4 in 1 and often think I would be further ahead with a standard bucket and maybe a light material bucket plus a grapple. I have not found the PT 4 in 1 to be as versatile as advertised.