What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet?

   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #23  
Yea, I was just wondering what the name was. There are several varieties now, the bet one being Obsession II. At least the ones I've heard about..
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #24  
I'll have to find out, I don't know and like I said, getting it from another farmer.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #25  
How do grass clippings rob nitrogen? This is what I've read.

Fresh grass clippings include about 4 percent nitrogen. This means that in any given year, grass clippings leftover from mowing the lawn can account for almost 2 pounds of nitrogen per 1,000 square feet of lawn.

Can You Mix Grass Clippings Into Soil?

Adding grass clippings to your garden can be a great way to improve the health of your plants and soil. Grass clippings are high in nitrogen, which is essential for plant growth. By adding them to your garden, you will also reduce the need for fertilizer or pesticides.

Remember to water the lawn first before adding the grass clippings – this will ensure they don’t become wet and muddy when mixed with soil. Mixing grass clippings into your soil is a great way to add nutrients and help improve the soil’s texture and moisture retention. If you’re looking to get creative with your garden, adding grass clippings is a great way to do it!
Clipping and wood chips don’t “rob” nitrogen. They tie it up while they are decomposing so it’s not available immediately. So it’s something you don’t want to add around actively growing plants, compost it during that time. But putting it on in the fall and letting it decompose over the winter is good.

Wood ash doesn’t work the same way. While having potash (a fertilizer) in it it is a very fast and effective liming agent due to its power fine calcium carbonate in it.

If your soils are acidic (6.0 or lower) wood ash will help tremendously. If they are between 6-7 it won’t hurt to put some on. If they are already 7 or higher you need to be looking for ways get the soil lower in PH and not use the wood ash. Most of the US east of the Mississippi will benefit greatly from the the wood ash as the soils trend to be on the acidic side. Desert south west they will hurt.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #26  
Yea, I was just wondering what the name was. There are several varieties now, the bet one being Obsession II. At least the ones I've heard about..
Obsession and Ambrosia, aren't those perfumes? ;)
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #27  
How things tie up N has been told,peated and repeated so many times I figure everyone already knows "how it is". For some strange reason wood and green plants where I live didn't get the memo. I've used and showed others how to use practices called huglekultur and keyhole garden where logs,limbs,twigs and leaves are piled similar to what you would to burn it then covered with soil and planted. Shallow rooted annuals do about the same first year as if planted in plowed ground. Second year all plants perform better and require less irrigation than those in plowed ground. Third year and following years it's off to the races,leaving plants conventionally planted in ground in a cloud of dust while using 75% to 60% less irrigation and fertilize. Sawdust is a different kettle of fish.
N robbing green plants? For as long as I can remember farmers around here have turned green cover crops under and made a living growing crops with less fertilize and irrigation than land minus cover crop. The only grass I bag while mowing my yard is from area near air conditioning condensers. I put the clippings in a bin with brown leaves from previous Fall and the mix gets too hot to hold a hand in.
BTW the resultant soil doesn't stick to tools near as bad when wet as native black clay. ;)
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #28  
How things tie up N has been told,peated and repeated so many times I figure everyone already knows "how it is". For some strange reason wood and green plants where I live didn't get the memo. I've used and showed others how to use practices called huglekultur and keyhole garden where logs,limbs,twigs and leaves are piled similar to what you would to burn it then covered with soil and planted. Shallow rooted annuals do about the same first year as if planted in plowed ground. Second year all plants perform better and require less irrigation than those in plowed ground. Third year and following years it's off to the races,leaving plants conventionally planted in ground in a cloud of dust while using 75% to 60% less irrigation and fertilize. Sawdust is a different kettle of fish.
N robbing green plants? For as long as I can remember farmers around here have turned green cover crops under and made a living growing crops with less fertilize and irrigation than land minus cover crop. The only grass I bag while mowing my yard is from area near air conditioning condensers. I put the clippings in a bin with brown leaves from previous Fall and the mix gets too hot to hold a hand in.
BTW the resultant soil doesn't stick to tools near as bad when wet as native black clay. ;)
You provided the proof??

First, your not tilling it in. Roots pick up nutrients from below the surface. You might be tieing up a little in the boundry layer but not below. Your lasagna garden is having most everything happen above ground and mitigates ground temp extremes early/late in growing season and keeps moisture up.

The third year the shear amount organic matter provides so much nitrogen that new additional material cant tie much it all up.

This doesn't equate in any form or fashion to regular tillage practices.

As far as cover crops go timing of cover crop kill or plowing under, the type of cover crop, and crop being grown can cause problems if not done with planning.

Legume cover crops have lots of nitrogen to carbon ratio and can give nitrogen to fast growing spinach, lettuce, cabbage, radish and such but rye grass would and its low nitrogen to carbon ratio would hinder it.

And switch that around for oats or wheat that doesn't have high nitrogen uptake until much later in the boot stage.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #29  
How things tie up N has been told,peated and repeated so many times I figure everyone already knows "how it is". For some strange reason wood and green plants where I live didn't get the memo. I've used and showed others how to use practices called huglekultur and keyhole garden where logs,limbs,twigs and leaves are piled similar to what you would to burn it then covered with soil and planted. Shallow rooted annuals do about the same first year as if planted in plowed ground. Second year all plants perform better and require less irrigation than those in plowed ground. Third year and following years it's off to the races,leaving plants conventionally planted in ground in a cloud of dust while using 75% to 60% less irrigation and fertilize. Sawdust is a different kettle of fish.
N robbing green plants? For as long as I can remember farmers around here have turned green cover crops under and made a living growing crops with less fertilize and irrigation than land minus cover crop. The only grass I bag while mowing my yard is from area near air conditioning condensers. I put the clippings in a bin with brown leaves from previous Fall and the mix gets too hot to hold a hand in.
BTW the resultant soil doesn't stick to tools near as bad when wet as native black clay. ;)
Yes, have been practicing hügelkultur for about 4 years now and it is pretty much unmatched for growing things and I grow things in raised beds and directly in the ground also. I let my chickens free range last year and they absolutely destroyed both of my hugel mounds. Took them right down to the wood. So they don't free range any longer.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #30  
I have soil that is about 60% sand, 20% clay, 20% silt. The soil is mostly dry on top, but 3-5" down damp...

If I start tilling it, how will I know if is too damp? If you say something like 'it clods up', can you give an idea of the size of the clods when I should call off the tilling?

Thanks!
Sticks to your tires or shoes. If you can make a baseball out of it it is to wet. It should crumble in your hand if you tried to make a ball.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #31  
I rototill a lot of gardens every spring. One of the nicest gardens was one where she laid newspaper between the rows to keep the weeds down. To keep the newspaper in place she added grass clippings on top. After a few years of this she had one of the nicest garden soils in the area. The soil was very mellow and rototilling left a really nice seed bed.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #32  
Depending on the soil mixture it can take more or less moisture to be able to work it efficiently ... but yes you don't want the soil to stick to your tires it makes a mess everywhere. In clay the soil doesn't beak down properly if too wet, it clumps up in softball size chuck and dry up like that and the chuck gets super hard and it take for ever to break down, even if I till it again it stays in chuck.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #33  
Yander your chickens don't free range any longer ? YOU ATE THEM? :ROFLMAO:

willy
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #34  
One good indicator of soil that's a bit wet to rototill is when it resembles a spinning brown log😬
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #35  
When I till the first time in a season, if it's too wet, I get a lot of clumps that are really hard to break up later.

I put drain tile in my garden about 5 years ago. Wish I had done it sooner.

I can till much earlier in the spring, and the soil warms up much earlier, so I can get the corn in earlier.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #36  
YES - grsthegreat. Post# 8. Makes you wonder - was this guy actually going to do some tilling OR was he just going fishing.
 
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   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #37  
I rototill a lot of gardens every spring. One of the nicest gardens was one where she laid newspaper between the rows to keep the weeds down. To keep the newspaper in place she added grass clippings on top. After a few years of this she had one of the nicest garden soils in the area. The soil was very mellow and rototilling left a really nice seed bed.
My mother and I do this in out gardens but she normally uses leaves and I use grass clippings. It is mainly to keep the weeds down but helps to hold the moisture in. It does take a bit of work to lay it down every year but it reduces the overall work involved since I have very few weeds to deal with. Of course less weeds only makes it easier for the deer to eat everything. They really like the green beans and beets but nothing is safe from their browsing.
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #38  
just like plowing. if you can wad it up in your fist, it's too wet. do yourself a favor, don't listen to just "let 'er rip"
 
   / What are the signs of rototilling when it's too wet? #39  
I rototill a lot of gardens every spring. One of the nicest gardens was one where she laid newspaper between the rows to keep the weeds down. To keep the newspaper in place she added grass clippings on top. After a few years of this she had one of the nicest garden soils in the area. The soil was very mellow and rototilling left a really nice seed bed.
She was feeding the worms, they did the work.
 
 

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