Truck payload question

[MAN IN BLACK]

Hello ev1 !
Just a quick question about truck payloads...
When looking at truck specs...does the payload given includes the passenger + the cargo....or applies just to cargo.
I'm shopping for a new truck, and this will determine if I go 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton.
I don't trust sales person word on that issue :confused3:
Thanks for the info, and...great site !:thumbsup:
BLACK

 

[Marveltone]

The payload is derived from subtracting the curb weight from the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR). The GVWR is the maximum allowable total weight of the vehicle, including driver, passengers, cargo, fuel, fluids, added accessories, etc.
Hope this helps.

Joe

 

[locknut]

Hello ev1 !
Just a quick question about truck payloads...
When looking at truck specs...does the payload given includes the passenger + the cargo....or applies just to cargo.
I'm shopping for a new truck, and this will determine if I go 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton.
I don't trust sales person word on that issue :confused3:
Thanks for the info, and...great site !:thumbsup:
BLACK

The maximum payload rating can be achieved as long as the front and rear gross axle ratings are not exceeded,nor the total GVW rating.But hey,what do I know? I've only been selling new trucks for 35 short years.....:laughing:

 

[camshawn]

Having be caught, I would take a truck With the options I will have across a scale and weigh it. The anti-sway bars, tow package, power train, fancy seats all are part of the load as written on the spec sheets.
You then must do the math, subtract the curb weight including passengers, coffee cups, tools, jumper cables, junk in the glove box, etc from the gross vehicle weight as written in the door post to get the available payload.
Cam

 

[Marveltone]

To be honest, It seems most people buy 1/2 ton trucks because of the much lower price, then expect them to to the job of a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Most 1/2 ton trucks I see being used for something other than grocery getting (in my area, at least) are vastly overloaded. Lots of severely squatted 1/2 ton pickups around here.

Joe

 

[MAN IN BLACK]

The maximum payload rating can be achieved as long as the front and rear gross axle ratings are not exceeded,nor the total GVW rating.But hey,what do I know? I've only been selling new trucks for 35 short years.....:laughing:

No offence to you....but most sales person around here don't know muck about trucks.They are more concerned about selling you ...than selling you the right truck.
My experience anyway

 

[newbury]

A MAJOR problem is the nomenclature - for 2014
Typical "3/4 Ton" - F250 - payload capacity around 4000 lbs
Typical "1 ton" - F350 - SRW - about the same as the F250
Typical "1 ton" - F350 - DRW payload capacity around 6,000 lbs
Superduty specs

I always considered a ton to be about 2,000 lbs.

 

[KenB2920]

No offence to you....but most sales person around here don't know muck about trucks.They are more concerned about selling you ...than selling you the right truck.
My experience anyway

Ditto. Every salesman is different. I have ran across a few who you'd think designed, engineered, built, uses, sells and repairs the item your inquiring about. Others I have ran into wouldn't even know the name of the company if It weren't on their paycheck.

 

[Diamondpilot]

No offence to you....but most sales person around here don't know muck about trucks.They are more concerned about selling you ...than selling you the right truck.
My experience anyway

Got that right. Last dealer I went to tried to tell me the 7700# gvwr on the door sticker was the tow rating.

Chris

 

[chew]

I know ford when they print the payload its the GVWR -Curb weight and -150lbs for each passenger space, makes a difference with a crew cab when comparing numbers to a reg or ext cab.

 

[kevin37b]

Okay , I want to hear your definitions of 1/4 , 1/2 , 3/4 , and 1 ton trucks . Explain the ratings with facts . Why the ton measure ? I know for a fact , a 1/2 ton truck is not gonna haul 1000# of rock or sand very far . Excuse my ignorance .

 

[MAN IN BLACK]

Ok, then with my 2009 Ford Platinum....the yellow sticker mentions 1080 payload for a F150 supercrew short box
That would be 1080 pounds of cargo including passengers ? or cargo alone ?
I need to hook up to a 950 lbs travel trailer weight on the hitch...around 8500 lbs fully loaded.
My guess is I would be better with the F250....the 150 can pull the weight no problem, but I'm concerned about that hitch weight being to much for the truck.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Okay , I want to hear your definitions of 1/4 , 1/2 , 3/4 , and 1 ton trucks . Explain the ratings with facts . Why the ton measure ? I know for a fact , a 1/2 ton truck is not gonna haul 1000# of rock or sand very far . Excuse my ignorance .

Its a outdated rating. I put 3000# in my 1/2 tons many times.

Chris

 

[LD1]

Its a outdated rating. I put 3000# in my 1/2 tons many times.

Chris

I have done the same. But 1/2 ton in a 1/2 ton pickup.....no problem. It will handle that all day long.

All good advise so far. There is no simple answer. Usually the only published data is GVWR. Which is usually the same for a given brand and year. IE: A Ford F250 Might have a GVWR of 9000lbs. It dont matter wether its ex-cab, 4x4, 4x2, gas or diesel, power everything or power nothing, etc.

So the MAX payload of any given truck is going to be with the smallest gas motor (lighter), standard cab, short bed, and 4x2. Because that is going to give the lightest truck. 4x4, diesel, power options, long bed, ex-cab all add curb weight, and take off of the payload capacity.

My 1-ton is the heaviest configuration for the year. Diesel, long bed, Quad cab, 4x4. I have a 12,200 GVW. Truck with me, fuel, and some junk in it weigh 8000#. So my 1-ton legally has a payload of a little over 2-ton (4200). But the same truck with a gas motor, 2wd, reg-cab, and short bed could likely be close to 3 ton payload if not more.

But to the point, for a 8500# travel trailer w/1000lb tongue weight, unless you only plan on towing it once or twice a year, I'd be looking at a 3/4 ton or 1-ton SRW. Especially if you are looking at getting 4wd, ex-cab, and hauling gear and people.

 

[bcp]

"Payload" originally meant "pay load" or what could be hauled for a customer for pay. It did not include fuel, driver, passenger, tools, etc.

The ton ratings were approximately correct when trucks first became common and the names have stuck as manufacturers kept making sizes and capacities larger on the bigger models. At the low end, a half-ton truck still carries about a half-ton, but the next steps up have been upgraded so they carry much more then their "name" describes.

Bruce

 

[locknut]

I logged in to fmcdealer and provide a link to the 2009 towing guide.That will tell you everything you need to know.The only thing it won't tell you is the rear GAWR with your fully loaded rig.You'll need to find some scales for that.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/09RVTTguide.pdf

 

[jejeosborne]

I know ford when they print the payload its the GVWR -Curb weight and -150lbs for each passenger space, makes a difference with a crew cab when comparing numbers to a reg or ext cab.

Not sure what printed material you are referencing but the printed yellow sticker on the door specifically says payload capacity is without passengers. You must subtract passengers from the number given.

So the MAX payload of any given truck is going to be with the smallest gas motor (lighter), standard cab, short bed, and 4x2.

Not completely true but I see where you are going with this. You cannot get the max payload option in an f150 unless you select the 5.0 liter or ecoboost motors.

 

[MAN IN BLACK]

Not sure what printed material you are referencing but the printed yellow sticker on the door specifically says payload capacity is without passengers. You must subtract passengers from the number given.
Thank you....that is exactly what I needed to know !
And frankly, that is the way I understood it also.
Sales rep is working hard to convince me of the opposite...ev1 is doing it he says....does'nt mean it's the right thing to do though.

 

[wolfpack2]

Ok, then with my 2009 Ford Platinum....the yellow sticker mentions 1080 payload for a F150 supercrew short box
That would be 1080 pounds of cargo including passengers ? or cargo alone ?
I need to hook up to a 950 lbs travel trailer weight on the hitch...around 8500 lbs fully loaded.
My guess is I would be better with the F250....the 150 can pull the weight no problem, but I'm concerned about that hitch weight being to much for the truck.

Yes, the 1080 listed on the payload label is the maximum weight you can put on the truck including people, cargo, aftermarket equipment, etc. It assumes a full tank of fuel and the options and equipment that came from the factory and were listed on the window sticker. Anything that was added by the dealer or by you (running boards, toolboxes, mud flaps, lights, etc) will need to be subtracted from this value. If your trailer has a 950 pound tongue load, you will only have 130 lbs left for people and cargo before you are over the GVWR. An explanation of this can be found in the owner's manual. You can look under "Load Carrying" in the index.

 

[bandaidmd]

Ok, then with my 2009 Ford Platinum....the yellow sticker mentions 1080 payload for a F150 supercrew short box
That would be 1080 pounds of cargo including passengers ? or cargo alone ?
I need to hook up to a 950 lbs travel trailer weight on the hitch...around 8500 lbs fully loaded.
My guess is I would be better with the F250....the 150 can pull the weight no problem, but I'm concerned about that hitch weight being to much for the truck.

8500 lb trailer is the upper end of a class 1 (as in F'1"50,C"1"500 etc) but should still be ok. My (heavy)1500 suburban pulls my 7500 lb camper with no prob.
For that trailer your going to want a load equalizing hitch so tounge weight really wont be a factor, if you dig into the fine print the maximum towed gvw usually states that a equalizer hitch is needed, without the equalizer hitch the max towed gvw is way less.