Trailer size help

[HK45]

Okay I have a 2014 Ram 2500 with the Diesel in it. My truck Is registered at 25,000 combined weight. I have a cornpro 25 gooseneck deckover with 7,000 axle 14,000. They rate the payload at 12,300 thats with 20% over truck axle. My machine Is a Bobcat CT450 with loader and backhoe. Im not sure ,But I think my machine is around 7,000 pounds with loader and backhoe. Everybody keeps telling me my trailer is to small for what I'm towing. So I was looking to upgrade to a 25 dual tandem. Is it worth it? I think I'm fine and corn pro is telling me I'm not even close to the max on there trailer. What you guys think?

 

[Diamondpilot]

Okay I have a 2014 Ram 2500 with the Diesel in it. My truck Is registered at 25,000 combined weight. I have a cornpro 25 gooseneck deckover with 7,000 axle 14,000. They rate the payload at 12,300 thats with 20% over truck axle. My machine Is a Bobcat CT450 with loader and backhoe. Im not sure ,But I think my machine is around 7,000 pounds with loader and backhoe. Everybody keeps telling me my trailer is to small for what I'm towing. So I was looking to upgrade to a 25 dual tandem. Is it worth it? I think I'm fine and corn pro is telling me I'm not even close to the max on there trailer. What you guys think?

You are fine. You could put a standard skid steer on that trailer with your current tractor and still be fine.

As for dual tandems, stay away if you can. I had a GN with them and won't again. They have all the headaches of a dually truck and then some. My current big trailer has triple 6K axles and my next will be a tri axle also.

Chris

 

[RedNeckRacin]

your trailer is big enough. I haul my 10klb + tractor on my 14.5k gn. My next trailer will be a tandem dual gn hands down. I'd steer well clear of a tri axle unless you have a specific application for one. Just make sure you pay attention to build quality. Not all trailer are built to the same specs.

 

[oliver1555]

I'd stay away from both duals and tri-axle trailers. 17.5" tires can be found with ratings from 4000# to 6000# if you want to have more capacity with a bigger trailer. We used to chuck the duals for 17.5 tires on trailers when I worked in the oil patch. However, you have plenty of trailer for your load. Your figure of 7000# is right in line with tractordata.com for your tractor. I have a gn flatbed with tandem singles and routinely haul more than you're talking on it with no problem. Don't overload your tires, keep them aired up, and keep your speed down to reduce heat.

 

[oliver1555]

You are fine. You could put a standard skid steer on that trailer with your current tractor and still be fine.

Chris

His tractor, according to tractordata.com is just under 7,000#. An small skidsteer is likely to exceed 6000#. Not enough trailer for that.

 

[HK45]

thanks for the info guys

 

[Deere Dude]

I am a firm believer in loading it up and run it through a scale just to be sure. Check the whole setup loaded, rear axle of the truck while hooked up and each axle of the trailer and then both axles with the load on. From cyphering you can know for sure and feel more secure about it.

 

[oliver1555]

I am a firm believer in loading it up and run it through a scale just to be sure. Check the whole setup loaded, rear axle of the truck while hooked up and each axle of the trailer and then both axles with the load on. From cyphering you can know for sure and feel more secure about it.

Good advice. Tires will be your deciding factor on your trailer. 7000# axles normally are standard with load range E tires, typically rated at 3042 pounds capacity each. That gives you just over 6000# capacity on each axle.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I am a firm believer in loading it up and run it through a scale just to be sure. Check the whole setup loaded, rear axle of the truck while hooked up and each axle of the trailer and then both axles with the load on. From cyphering you can know for sure and feel more secure about it.

Great advice. I tell everyone the same.

Chris

 

[JJZ 109]

His tractor, according to tractordata.com is just under 7,000#. An small skidsteer is likely to exceed 6000#. Not enough trailer for that.

True. Operating weight for my Bobcat S185 is 6220.

 

[PapaPerk]

Okay I have a 2014 Ram 2500 with the Diesel in it. My truck Is registered at 25,000 combined weight. I have a cornpro 25 gooseneck deckover with 7,000 axle 14,000. They rate the payload at 12,300 thats with 20% over truck axle. My machine Is a Bobcat CT450 with loader and backhoe. Im not sure ,But I think my machine is around 7,000 pounds with loader and backhoe. Everybody keeps telling me my trailer is to small for what I'm towing. So I was looking to upgrade to a 25 dual tandem. Is it worth it? I think I'm fine and corn pro is telling me I'm not even close to the max on there trailer. What you guys think?

You are more than fine. Most people move a machine that size with a 12,000 lbs bumper pull.

Whoever is giving you advice.... Don't listen to them.

By the way CornPro makes a really nice trailer. I have two of them and really like them.

 

[LD1]

You have a 14k trailer with a 12k capacity hauling a 7k machine?

Not even close to the limit. If you were close, I would suggest a trip to the scales, but I dont think your case warrants it.

Who is "everybody" that keeps saying the trailer is too small?

 

[PapaPerk]

Who is "everybody" that keeps saying the trailer is too small?

Probably a trailer dealer! Lol!

I can't believe we are even talking about being concerned with putting a 7,000 lbs tractor on a 14,000 lbs GOOSENECK!!! Lol

 

[Beltman60]

Probably a trailer dealer! Lol!

I can't believe we are even talking about being concerned with putting a 7,000 lbs tractor on a 14,000 lbs GOOSENECK!!! Lol

usual questions here are I have a 7000 lb trailer and I want to know if its safe to haul my 12000 lb. tractor on it :laughing:

 

[powerscol]

You have more than enough truck and trailer for what you have. I have a similar trailer and put close to 9K weight worth of equipment on it, and I have an F350 dually to haul it. One thing I did learn by running it across the scale (highly recommended) was the weight over my truck rear axle. For your truck you will need to be careful where you center the weight. I suspect you will need to have you tractor tires somewhere over the rear axles on the trailer to keep your pin weight in line with your truck specifications.

Also be careful if you ever update your truck. Once you exceed 26K combined weight rating you could need a CDL. That's is determined by adding the GVWR stickers on both units. In my case I needed to have the trailer de-rated from the original 15680 GVWR (new GVWR sticker is 12500) to stay under due to my truck having a 11500 GVWR rating. I have more than enough two rating, but I need to watch how I load the hitch pin.

For me and my tractor and baler, I am fine as long as I center my tractor rear wheel near the front axle. When I was at the scales I moved it around to determine this and I now have a mark on the deck to spot too. Try and find a good commercial scale that can give you the individual axle weights. This will also save you from blowing out trailer tires.

Hope this helps

PS make sure you have your trailer tires at the correct pressure.

 

[PapaPerk]

usual questions here are I have a 7000 lb trailer and I want to know if its safe to haul my 12000 lb. tractor on it :laughing:

Yeah that's right! I'm impressed OP is being safe compared to some of the other questions I've seen! "Will my S-10 pull my gooseneck with 8 round bales on it?" LOL!

 

[downslope]

You have more than enough truck and trailer for what you have. I have a similar trailer and put close to 9K weight worth of equipment on it, and I have an F350 dually to haul it. One thing I did learn by running it across the scale (highly recommended) was the weight over my truck rear axle. For your truck you will need to be careful where you center the weight. I suspect you will need to have you tractor tires somewhere over the rear axles on the trailer to keep your pin weight in line with your truck specifications.

Also be careful if you ever update your truck. Once you exceed 26K combined weight rating you could need a CDL. That's is determined by adding the GVWR stickers on both units. In my case I needed to have the trailer de-rated from the original 15680 GVWR (new GVWR sticker is 12500) to stay under due to my truck having a 11500 GVWR rating. I have more than enough two rating, but I need to watch how I load the hitch pin.

For me and my tractor and baler, I am fine as long as I center my tractor rear wheel near the front axle. When I was at the scales I moved it around to determine this and I now have a mark on the deck to spot too. Try and find a good commercial scale that can give you the individual axle weights. This will also save you from blowing out trailer tires.

Hope this helps

PS make sure you have your trailer tires at the correct pressure.

I'm surprised it's easy to overload your dually rear axle with a 14K trailer. 20% of 14K is only 2,800 lbs. on the gooseneck. Even 25% would be 3,500 lbs.

But I guess it's a combination of 1. being a gooseneck and, 2. the trailer is kind of long, with much of that length in front of the axles. What year is the F-350 and what is the spec for rear axle maximum load?

How did you decide to de-rate the trailer to 12500? It seems you could have made it 14K or 14,500 and still be under CDL, or were you planning to eventually use it with a bigger truck?

 

[powerscol]

Rear is 8250lbs, front is 5200lbs. Truck max GVWR is 11500 trailer GVWR was 15680 - combined total was 27,180 . DOT said I was OK for farm use (hauling hay), but if I went to do something not farm related in the eyes of DOT like hauling equipment, I could get in trouble, so de-rating was the solution.

My dry pin weight on my 23' PJ GN is 1230lbs (trailer weight is 4920lbs) so 25%. Dry axle load on the truck was about 4000 lbs fueled with me and tool box in it. It is rated to haul a 4500 lb like a camper, so the scale weight were is about right. The 20% and 25% loading rule is for a uniform load, or a load split over the trailer axles. Once you move the load forward, it becomes more of a point load and can quickly overload the pin weight

So in a nut shell I can handle a pin weight of roughly 4250 lbs. Less dry pin weight leaves additional live load on the pin of 4250-1230 = 3,020 lbs. If I put the 9K load in front of the trailer axles, 1/2 goes to the truck so I was overloading the rear axle. Moving the load back over the trailer axles put more weight on the trailer, thus less on the truck. The scale I used was at my local COOP and they were happy to take the time to figure things out with me. They said they typically see over 60% of the farmers that use their scales with a GN are overloaded either on the trailer or truck as it is very easy to get the load distribution wrong.

The trick for me was to watch my helper springs. If they just made contact I was good, full contact and I was over.

Remember when doing the numbers, you need to take into account what your truck weight is empty and axle loading, then know your dry pin weight, and then place you equipment loading accordingly.

I am no expert on this, but hope it helps.

 

[newbury]

His tractor, according to tractordata.com is just under 7,000#. An small skidsteer is likely to exceed 6000#. Not enough trailer for that.

Who put the skidsteer in the load?

 

[oliver1555]

Who put the skidsteer in the load?



Do the weights quoted for the tractors (OP - 7,000lbs, Bobcat 6220) include FEL, Backhoe and buckets front and rear?

Post #2 put the skidsteer in the load.
As for weight:
TractorData.com Bobcat CT450 tractor information
and
TractorData.com Bobcat CT450 tractor attachments information