Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)?

   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #1  

RoyBuck

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Kubota B-2410 4WD Turf Tires
Sorry for all the info given and questions asked below, but in order to get an accurate answer from this forum, you will need to know in detail what kind of work I need my tractor/mower to do. My home is located on a 5 acre lot that I have been mowing with a Craftsman 18 HP 42" mower and lawn sweeper for the the last 3 years and need to upgrade to either a sub/compact tractor or commercial zero-turn mower(or both) to cut down on the time spent mowing. I alternate every other cut between mulching and mowing with the sweeper attached to pick up pine needles and cones.

The front lawn is approximately 2 acres bordered with wooden fence lined with pear trees (planted approximately 70" inches from the fence). The lawn is planted with 30 large pine trees and many azelea bushes and one large flower bed. The pines are mulched with pine needles to about 50" diameter and spaced far apart. The flowerbed and azeleas are spaced out and arranged in different irregular patterns about the yard and would need a machine capable of turning curves, circles, ect. effectively. As you can see, I want to do as little trimming as possible. The grass is centipede and of course the lawn gets it's year-round share of pine needles and pine cones which is particularly heavy in the fall and after storms or windy days.

The back 3 acres is open field and is planted with a bermuda grass and bahalia. The fast growing bahalia keeps me busy and I sometimes have to use the Craftsman as a bush-hog with the blades at the highest cut.This field is quite rough, and it woud be nice to have better suspension than I now have on the Craftsman. Would a sub-compact tractor such a Kubota BX-2200 or B-2410 with the bi-turn option that makes the front wheels turn faster than the back take me effectively around the trees and structures in the front lawn? How would a JD 4300 perform on this type of lawn? Would the JD be too heavy or leave too large an uncut grass area?

This tractor would also have to be able to alternate (easily I hope) between mulching and mowing with a grass catcher. Preferably, a catcher that could be unloaded from the drivers seat such as the one that can be purchased with the JD. Are the grass catchers from Kubota and JD strong enough to pick up the needles and cones in the lawn without jamming up the shute? Does the bagger have its own motor and if so do is the motor equipped with blades that would be capable of grinding/reducing cones.twigs and needles? Which tractor is easily converted to mulch? Would the subcompact BX-200 bog down a 4 four bush-hog in tall bahalia for the back field? It would also like to use it for tilling vegatable gardens and landscaping as well.

Should I be looking at a zero turn mower with a grass catcher for the front 2 acres and a "base" tractor for the back 3 acres or are would one piece of equipment like a sub-compact or compact tractor do all that I need?

Thanks,
Roy
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #2  
Roy,
My neighbor has the b2400 bi-speed turn with about the same situation as you and he does fine with it. His only problem is the bi-steer on the kubota keeps going out. If it was me I would get the subcompact. I've seen him scoot around on his and I think it would be perfect for what you want. On the other side the jd 4100 would be a good choice as well except I don't think it has the turning capacity that those bi-steers do which I think you would need with all the trees. Deere did come out with a super steer mower this year but I don't think it would be up to the task of you bermuda grass.

18-35034-TRACTO~1.GIF
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #3  
RoyBuck,

I hate to say this since my tractor is Green, but if tight steering is what you really need, and it sure sounds like you do, check out the New Holland tractors. They have a "SuperSteer" option on their Boomer tractors. A smaller Boomer with turf tires, SuperSteer, rotary cutter, and finisher/mid mout mower might solve your problem. The rotary cutter would be for the back acres that are rough.

I liked the Boomer's when I was tractor shoping but the JD tractor fit my needs more closely and the dealer was better. The Boomers are very nice and I think they have better visibility up front than the JD's or Kobotas.

Spec out one of the low end Boomers and take it for a ride at the dealer and see how tight it turns.....

My neighbor has a BX2200 and he is happy with it. He has 5 acres or so but not nearly as nice as yours sounds. He uses the mid mount mower to cut grass and brush without to much problem. But I'm not sure how tight the BX2200 turns. Its a real nice machine and is very quiet when mowing.

If you spend any time on this site researching a tractor purchase I think you will see that most people will tell you that it really does not matter the color of the tractor,they are all pretty good. What really counts is the dealer.

Hope this helps...
Dan McCarty
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #4  
I'm new at this game but have similar conditions. A nice lawn and a bigger rough lawn. I am using what I have, which is a JD 755 (31" tires) on the rough, and a 50" garden tractor on the nice. If you don't need to do anything but mow, I would seriously look at a ZTR. But one with big tires!!! The ZTRs really cut down on time spent mowing. And a sturdy professional unit with big tires could probably handle the rough stuff. I need the loader and other features (rear blade, scraper, etc) that come with owning a compact tractor, so I'm not complaining. But if I ever get things to the point where I want one machine to mow it all, it will be a 52-60" ZTR.
-Don M
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #5  
i have a jd 455 all wheel steer that i think will do the things you are asking. it is a lawn tractor and will not handle 3-pt hitch equipment. it really cut down on my mowing time plus i have a front end loader for other jobs.
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #6  
Roy, you're like me. I've got a B2710, but use a little push mower to do trim work. I'd love a zero turn, but can't see spending a few thousand for one. The boomers with supersteer are a reasonable suggestion. If you get a 72" deck it will probably be almost as fast overall as a zero turn at cutting. You'll have to look into how big a boomer you'll need if you want grass collection. You might also take a look at the smaller power-tracs. I'm always concerned about buying something that expensive with no local dealer to service it, but they might have a way around that. I also don't recall if they have a grass collection system. Check them out at www.power-trac.com.
Todd
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #7  
I've just finished wrestling with a similar choice. I currently have an L35 TLB that I've been using to get my place in shape, and now that I've almost finished, I'm replacing it with a machine or machines to maintain the lawn (2 acres), clear the snow off the driveway (~300 ft, paved), and perform light landscaping tasks (pull a cart around, general loader work, etc.).

I originally thought a BX would be ideal for all my chores, but I'm now glad that I decided to go with the ZTR for mowing. I picked up a used Ransomes Bobcat (25 hp, 61" deck, 150 hrs.) for $3100 on ebay. My mowing time for the lawn has gone from 2+ hours with a 38" cut lawn tractor to less than 1/2 hour with the ZTR. The rate at which this thing can cut grass is nothing short of amazing.

After I sell the L35, I still may end up with a BX w/o a cutting deck, I'm not sure yet. By the way, anyone interested in an 1998, L35 TLB w/ 650 hrs, lights, HD bucket, 24" backhoe bucket and aux, hydraulics? I just have on or two jobs left for it.

-Dave
 
   / Tractor or Zero-Turn (or both)? #9  
Amazing deal on that bobcat. Diesel?
Todd
 

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