Toro Workman 3200 project...anyone have one of these?

[sandman2234]

The KY Toro that is still in TN awaiting a trip by one or both of us, came with solid tires. They are extremely heavy, and puncture proof. The front tires weigh 110 pounds, and no telling what the rears tires weigh.
TN friend is working on the KY Toro, found a leak in the heater core, so it is off to a shop to see if it can be repaired. Texas Coils made the heater core, but we haven't found a part number for them to see if they can still make them or have any in stock. Kind of waiting on the repair shop before we bother Texas Coils anymore. The governor shaft has a lot of side to side play in it, and is being looked at to see what it will take to tighten up. The engine will currently go way past what it is supposed to turn in rpms. I prefer longevity over speed, so hope it can be fixed or maybe one of the spares we have can be used (if they are good).
Panik, I used to work for a trucking company that had a drop yard right at the back door of Busch Gardens... Scales Transport, and ran down there a lot. NW Ga is in my travel path occasionally since I am dedicated to a company out of Haleyville, AL and live in NE Florida.
Dfkrug, my TN buddy bought a cab only out of IL, with no doors. After purchase, while lining up transport, he asked about the doors, and the guys said, hmmm, they might be around here somewhere. Several days later, he said he had found them, and they got loaded on the trailer with the cab. That cab is waiting on time to put on another Toro.
A 4x4 has yet to be seen in person by either of us, so they are extremely rare!
David from jax

 

[dfkrug]

The governor shaft has a lot of side to side play in it, and is being looked at to see what it will take to tighten up. The engine will currently go way past what it is supposed to turn in rpms. I prefer longevity over speed, so hope it can be fixed or maybe one of the spares we have can be used (if they are good).

The governor is a very substantial feature, about the size of the alternator. I wonder if it is necessary or of any value. I don't have much experience with them. What would be the downside to eliminating it?

I just re-mated the tranny to the engine last night. Tip: leave the differential out while doing this. It makes the assembly much lighter and easier to guide into the clutch, plus you can turn the mainshaft by hand if the splines do not line up.

Bell housing is held on the engine by only 4 bolts!

 

[sandman2234]

The governor is a very substantial feature, about the size of the alternator. I wonder if it is necessary or of any value. I don't have much experience with them. What would be the downside to eliminating it?

I just re-mated the tranny to the engine last night. Tip: leave the differential out while doing this. It makes the assembly much lighter and easier to guide into the clutch, plus you can turn the mainshaft by hand if the splines do not line up.

Bell housing is held on the engine by only 4 bolts!

Apparently the 3 cylinder Mitsubishi isn't a high torque engine, lol, or those 4 bolts would be a much larger!
The governor, when operating correctly keeps the engine rpms down to about 3600, but in its current shape, it isn't doing much. The motor will turn in excess of 5k, which makes it pretty quick on its feet! That might explain why there were no brakes on it! My buddy unloaded it in his yard, which is all downhill since he lives on a hilltop. As it ame off the trailer, he hit the brakes, only to find none! He then grabbed the emergency brake handle, which also did nothing! Only a quick turn back uphill slowed the momentum!
David from jax

 

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I adjusted the valve lash before reinstalling. Only one was off slightly, which probably made the slight tick I heard. Just 2 bolts hold the cover on, and no leaks!

This 3-cylinder engine of only 660cc seems well-made, with stout valve train components. No smoke I can see, even at nearly 5000 hours.

 

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I dissected the hyd filter. Very sparkly in there, but apparently survivable. Maybe cuz the Barnes hyd pump is cast iron and not aluminum?

As of last night, the engine is back in. The most difficult part was not too bad: getting the half-shafts onto their couplers while lowering the engine/trans, without a helper.

 

[sandman2234]

Been busy, no Toro time!
Wondering how it ended up? Did the filter save the pump? Wondering how it well it shifts, does it have any abnormal sounds or noises?
David from jax

 

[dfkrug]

My Workman runs and drives. The manual shifter takes some finesse, but there is no gear grinding or noise.

I just go the dump bed back on. It is quite easy with the right tool: a boom pole that has a lift point more than 4 feet ahead of the FEL frame on my tractor. None of the four pivot pins have grease fittings, and they are only about 3/4" in diameter.

This machine is a hodge-podge collection of metric and inch fasteners. Kinda reminds me of an 80s Ford Ranger pickup I was given years ago. There was even one set of bolts that had star heads. I tossed them and replaced with hex bolts, which I had in stock.

 

[dfkrug]

I just got my tires in this week. Working on the mounting now. One of the rears is so worn, it looks like a racing slick. 6-ply with 1710# rating. $$$$

Beads hard to break, but I have my trusty bead-buster. Spec for rears is 24x12-12, but the slick one is 13" wide.

Seats on order...from India.

 

[sandman2234]

Seats are available on ebay for these. I think $240 was what my TN buddy paid to get a set delivered. I mentioned them to my Bride and She said She could cover them for me. Her family did auto upholstery for many years. Her aunt still owns the shop up the street, if needed.
My TN has solid tires on the rear, and the solid fronts came along with it, but they changed the fronts out to get more speed out of the Toro because the son was driving it 7 miles to work.
I am pretty sure I have enough good tires to last a while, depending on which ones I put into service and which ones become donors.
The cabbed industrial up in TN with the heater will be our winter Toro and the open station industrial will probably be our summer unit. The heater core is repaired and installed. Floorboards and pedals have been painted to slow the rust. Headlight behind the heater core was replaced while the heater core was out of the way.
The open station industrial does have the high-low tranny, so 6 speeds, and it does have a pto, which makes it interesting. The industrial with the cab only has 3 speeds, no hi-lo range and it is propane powered.
I am considering what I am going to run off the pto on the open station. I have a 10kw generator head that could be run off the pto, or with a little fabrication, I could make up a 3pt hookup to be able to pull a finish mower behind the Toro.
The cabs are made in Romania but with open station, I don't know why the mixup between metric and standard size.
David from jax

 

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I tried to buy some aftermarket Toro seats on eBay, but they were not in stock. No OEMs there, other than some torn up used ones.

If I have to make the brackets anyway, I might as well get some decent new 2-piece units. Total cost, $142. I will report on them when I get them. This machine has no adjustments, up-and-back, for the seats.

Tho my unit has the high range, I am sure it will have to be used only on the flats. This is a small engine and a heavy machine. The golf course mine came from has a 4x4 with PTO, and they run a sprayer off the back. I want that one.

 

[sandman2234]

One of the first ones I went after was a sprayer unit. A big tank with outrigger wings but it doesn't have the pto unit. It runs off the mid mounted pto, to run the pump if I am correct. It is still out back awaiting it's trip to TN where it belongs. It has the cylinders for the bed, but the bed isn't there, only a tank. Access to the engine compartment on that one is via little doors built into the sides of the tank mount. You can lift the tank up manually, as it is hinged like the beds are, but it doesn't have the provisions to use the hydraulic cylinders to raise the bed. (strange, since the lift cylinders are there going to waste!) The guy that bought it wanted the carburetor, so the carb on it is bad. He bought it with the transmission already sold. I went to Lakeland Florida and picked up another that had a good transmission, split the cost with TN friend. He gets motor/tranny and I get the bed/frame. I had illusions of making a trailer out of the bed/frame and pulling it behind another Toro, using the rear hydraulics to raise and lower the bed on the trailer. When I got to Lakeland, the bed was in pretty bad shape, so I wasn't sure if I wanted to put that much work into it. Now the cylinders, hydraulic pump and linkages from that one will go to make the KY Industrial a dump bed. (it was manual raise, no cylinders). If one doesn't have the lift cylinders, then the hydraulic pump is different, only rated at 1000 psi instead of 2800, which is enough to run the power steering.
None of the ones I have seen, cab or open station have seat adjustments and use the same seats. If you are short or long legged, I guess they expect you to use a pillow behind you so you can reach the pedals! Adjustment would be nice, as I am almost a foot taller than my bride, and She always has to adjust the seat in anything we drive.
I had my pickup truck in the shop to get painted before we went on vacation, and it still isn't ready. That messed up a lot of the plans we had to move Toro parts between here and TN as we were both making trips, and our paths crossed in LA. Probably going to require me to make a trip to TN to take him the parts Toro, so he can adapt the hydraulics. Governor will get replaced at the time also.
I am not sure how much difference the hi-lo makes, but I am sure it helps a lot with heavy loads in tight areas. Probably should ask my TN buddy, because he has my 3 speed up there, and also owns a couple of ones with the hi-lo, although none of the running ones he has are Mitsubishi engines. (His Mitsubishi engine Toro has compression issues).
David from jax

 

[sandman2234]

Just curious, does your Toro Workman have the high gear lockout key switch? If it does, do you have the key for it? I have never come across one and would love to have one.
Your bed also has something that isn't very common...A tailgate! I have never actually seen one, much less in as good of shape as yours!
Have you seen one with the 120v generator?
David from jax

 

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My Workman has the high range lockout switch, but it is disabled and the key is missing. That, plus the governor lead me to believe that Toro was trying to keep these machines from going too fast around the golf course. Employees will do some crazy things...

As for the dump bed, mine is over 300# and very sturdy. It has a Toro bedliner, and stake pockets if you want to use stakes.

I pulled of the RR wheel to replace the tire. One lug nut was missing, and I could see the orphaned stud was not sticking out from the drum very far. Pulled the drum (with gear-puller).

Toro does not use pressed-in wheel studs; they use bolts! 9/16-20. So the one with the missing lug nut had worked its way loose, and collided with one of the brake shoe springs. The shoe adjuster on this side, as well as the one on the other side, are not turning. No visible rust. Gonna leave it alone.

I really struggled today, getting the new rear tire bead to seat. Nothing was working so I about gave up. Then I decided: before I go to a tire mounter, I am gonna try fire.

I have not been very successful with this method in the past, but this time, it worked. Starter fluid plus propane torch. Not for the timid.

 

[sandman2234]

I tend to use straps around the center of the tire to collapse it, so the beads will seat easier. Have not ever had to resort to fire, but there may come a time. They make an inflatable strap to put around the middle of the tire and then inflate it.
The bed on yours is the same as mine, except yours appears in better shape, and yours has a tailgate! My red Toro cab has a shop built bed on it, mostly made of aluminum, with a few steel structural parts underneath. I doubt it is as strong as the original Toro bed, but it will do for most loads.
Frozen self adjuster's are a common thing. I would have pulled it and added some penetrating oil, maybe heat... to get it free. Saves having to pull it down later when the brakes get out of adjustment. Brake issues seem to be pretty common on these Toro's. My White/Yellow cab had no brakes at all when my buddy unloaded it. He has sense gotten them to working welll enough to stop it, but it will need further work in a short time.
There are no 4x4 models anywhere near me for sale, and haven't been for as long as I have been looking for parts or complete vehicles. The Tank sprayers are a lot more common. I am curious as to how the pump is powered on one of them. I was under the impression that they were powered from a mid vehicle pto pump, with an eletric clutch to start and stop it. After you saying it was powered by the pto, I wondered if it was powered by the rear pto? The Toro Spray vehicle we have has the transmission missing, as it was removed before the guy we got it from bought it to get a good carburetor. So if it had a rear pto (like a tractor has), we wouldn't know, because those mount on top of the transmission.
Note to self, always use all the lug nuts, and don't move Toro till all are in place! Thanks for that tidbit!
David from jax

 

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Well, it is about ready to sell.

I fabricated brackets and installed the 2-piece seats I bought from India (about $150). They look good and feel adequate. I was looking at over $600 to buy them from Toro. Plus the missing brackets.

Seats look a little funky but do serve, plus they are built on steel pans, instead of the OEM plywood.

I wonder what I can sell this unit for on the left coast. Works well, but the diff lock is very hard to engage. Shifting is not smooth, but you get used to it. No 4x4, sadly. Purrs.

 

[dfkrug]

I love this machine.

I put a ton of dirt into it, then went and dumped it. The hydraulic dump that uses 2 cylinders had no problem lifting. And power steering is great.

Traction is a challenge for any unpaved hills, however. Even with the new tires I installed. Needs 4x4 around here.

 

[sandman2234]

My Bride thinks I have lost my mind, but in reality I am thinking of her. She picks up limbs and things around the yard and drags them to the street. A Toro Workman makes that an easy job! We are looking at a mound of dirt on the property across the street, and a "pond" created by raising a driveway and not putting a drainage pipe under it. I considered hauling dirt from the pile to that area, but a bucket at a time takes a lot of time. I will probably use the FEL to load the Toro Workman and let it do all the work of going back and forth, since it will carry more than a bucket load at a time! Just makes sense....
Have you driven your Toro Workman without power steering? Darn near impossible!!!
David from jax

 

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Have you driven your Toro Workman without power steering? Darn near impossible!!!

I shoulda tried that. Since the hyd pump runs off the same shaft that drives the cooling fan, it was about the last thing I hooked up before taking it for its first drive, post repairs.

 

[sandman2234]

Power steering and good brakes are what a friend of mine told me was needed for a Toro to be operational in his neck of the woods! He unloaded my Toro Commercial Workman and found out that the seller hasn't been completely honest in his description when it came to what worked on it. The fact that his land is either uphill or downhill, with almost none at level!
Davi from jax

 

[Xfaxman]

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