Tire filling

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I'm buying a new Kubota and I'm thinking about getting the tires filled.

Is it only to get better loads on the FEL, because I don't really need that, but I do have a hilly lot and if it will make the tractor more stable and safer on the hills I'd spend the extra 395
 
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Without extra weight on the back with filled tires or weights your rear wheels won't be on the ground using the FEL. The dealer will probably load the for free with water/antifreeze. Mine did. It's standard at my dealer.
 
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It will surly make it more stable. It will not allow you to lift more but it may allow you to drive with more weight in the bucket and feel safe. Just remember that the loader has a limit it can lift and no amount of ballast will increase that.

Chris
 
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so if I want more stability on the hills then I should fill the tires.

is that correct?
 
/ Tire filling #6  
Without extra weight on the back with filled tires or weights your rear wheels won't be on the ground using the FEL. The dealer will probably load the for free with water/antifreeze. Mine did. It's standard at my dealer.
they won't load the tires unless you tell em to.
 
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so if I want more stability on the hills then I should fill the tires.

is that correct?

Yes filling the tires will make your tractor more stable. Typically the tires are filled to just over the top of the rims and this keeps the majority of the weight low and it leaves a space for an air cushion.
 
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Just so this is not all one sided.

Adding liquid ballast or wheel weights depends on your needs and situation,
but most folks that have loaders have liquid ballast in the rear tires.

Depending on what tractor you're looking at, wheel weights maybe another possible alternative.
(On some model tractors the manufacture does not offer wheel weights.)
Wheel weights offer the flexability of adding or removing the weight when required.
However, wheel weights can be well over a 100 pounds each, which may not make it that easy to add or remove.

A ballast box or heavy implement is another alternative.
However, a ballast box or heavy implement adds weight to the rear axle and wheel bearing assemblys that liquid ballast and wheel weights would not.
Then again, a rear ballast box or rear heavy implement helps take weight off the front axle assembly when doing loader work,
which is something that liquid wheel ballast or wheel weights would not do.
So what is often recommended, is a combination of rear liquid ballasted tires or rear wheel weights and a ballast box or heavy implement, when doing loader work.

My previous tractor was a 1969 Ford 2000 with no loader, and had calcium chloride solution as ballast in the rear tubed tires.
I was unable to finish mow large portions of my lawn/pasture during various times of the year due to the weight of this tractor on soft ground.
Also I had to have one of the rusted thru rims repaired due to the corrosive liquid ballast.

For my new Kubota B7800, I am one of the few who did not have liquid ballast added to my rear tires, and wheel weights are not offered for my tractor.
My loader manual states:
"When mounting a heavy rear implement, liquid in the tires may not be required."
I always have some heavy implement attached to my 3 point hitch (mower, snowblower, or a loaded carryall)
My loader work has include moving snow, firewood, a few rocks and cement blocks. For heavy items I pick up slow and move low and slow.
The majority of my tractor work is either finish mowing or snowblowing, with occasional firewood hauling on a 3 point carryall.
I wanted to keep my tractor as light as possible, for finish mowing work, so as not to rut soft areas of lawn with my tractor tires.
Which is the main reason I did not have liquid ballast added.
60 % of my finish mowing is on a steep hill and occasioanally I have to engage 4 wheel drive when my rear tires
do not provide enough traction (wet grass), but my tractor is still very stable without ballasted tires.
Having no liquid ballast in my rear tires has worked out really well for me in my situation, but would not work for all.

So, if you are like most folks, who do not require their tractor to be as light as possible for certain applications,
then I highly recommend a non corrosive liquid ballast or wheel weights for your rear tires.
If my situation was different, I would probably have one or the other too.
 
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so if I want more stability on the hills then I should fill the tires.

is that correct?
Instead of filling the tires.
I use a BH for weight on 1 tractor a tiller on another and nothing on a 3rd tractor since I dont have an implement on the front of it .
Works great for me.
 
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$ 395?

Go buy the 5$ burp valve from napa or tsc, and a couple gallons ( depends on tire size ) of rv holding tank antifreeze, eco safe stuff preferably, and yer garden hose.. then take a couple hours and load them yourself.. your cost will be the time, the burp valve and the antifreeze used in each tire.. just need to add enough so it won't freeze solid.. slushy is fine..

soundguy
 
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$ 395?

Go buy the 5$ burp valve from napa or tsc, and a couple gallons ( depends on tire size ) of rv holding tank antifreeze, eco safe stuff preferably, and yer garden hose.. then take a couple hours and load them yourself.. your cost will be the time, the burp valve and the antifreeze used in each tire.. just need to add enough so it won't freeze solid.. slushy is fine..

soundguy

Amen Brother!

I did that, but used ww fluid (the better stuff). I put about 44 gallons in each rear tire. It added about 350# per wheel, but my tractor does not finish mow either...

Total cost was around 180 bucks.
 
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Yep.. On mine, I went cheaper.. I used pretty much straight water with just enough AF to prevent solid freezes.. since I'm in florida, having a weak mix figured for 20' protection, I only put a few gallons of af in each 16.9-24 tire.. total weight was a hair over 500# per side.. cost was cheap since napa had the af on sale for 5$ per gallon. I see TSC had rf AF on sale for 2.99 / gallon I might go stock up..

soundguy
 
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Yep.. On mine, I went cheaper.. I used pretty much straight water with just enough AF to prevent solid freezes.. since I'm in florida, having a weak mix figured for 20' protection, I only put a few gallons of af in each 16.9-24 tire.. total weight was a hair over 500# per side.. cost was cheap since napa had the af on sale for 5$ per gallon. I see TSC had rf AF on sale for 2.99 / gallon I might go stock up..

soundguy

Soundguy, I agree totally. No way that I would spend $300 bucks for water. Here in S.C., temps rarely get below 15 degrees, so the antifreeze solution works great. It is also nice to know how to do this so that when you have your first flat, you can refill it yourself
 
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yep.. ditto that.

while I keep telling myself I'm gonna stop messing with my own tires.. I have as of yet not caved in... I must still be too tight with the wallet... :)

soundguy
 
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Here is a link for a tire fluid filling chart.

Ballast Star - Charts

If your tires are tubeless do not use calciumchloride, it will rot your wheels. You can use automotive washer fluid, but it is not as heavy as the calcium. Some dealers also have a beet juice product, but it is very expensive.

Just for running your loader you can accomplish the same thing with put weight on the 3 pt. Fluid will make the tractor more stable, with in reason.
 
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DHD, sure not saying what you posted is not correct but left me little confused.

Fluid in the tire or wheel weight don't have the load on the axle as does 3 pth weight? Are you saying that is due to the weight being on the axle and ground and not on the tractor? Sort of makes sense. Yet if the weight is needed to keep traction is it not then applied to the bearings for as the tractor lifts the weight of the tires pulls down on the bearings.

But how is there a difference between any of those in relationship to the weight on the front axle?
 
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The timing of this post is kinda ironic. This is going to be my weekend project. I've bought the air valve adapter at TSC, the -20F WW fluid at Wally World, and made an adapter and hose assembly to go from a 1 gallon funnel to the air valve. I'm hoping I'll be able to strap the funnel to the ROPS and pour in the WW fluid a gallon at a time. Will see how it goes.
 
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Sockwell, I have my doubts if you can do it that way. My tires hold up to 70 gallons and it seems that's a lot of fluid to drip through a 1/4" hole. You need a pump. I used a little gasoline Honda pump but an electric or D.C. one would work. Some have even used the cheap little pumps driven by a drill. Do you have tubes in your tires? My tires have tubes. Even with a pump, it took 20 or 30 minutes or so to fill it. Using your I.V. method, it seems that you will be there all day. Hopefully, I am wrong and this will go easily for you. My advice would be to obtain a pump and to draw the fluid out of a large trash can. Make sure you support your tractor with a jack stand. The weight of the fluid popped my bead so I had to overinflate to re-seat the bead. This was kinda scary, as it sounded like a rifle shot when it re-seated. If your tires are tubeless, this could be a problem as the fluid would have spilled out. Some guys who have done this with tubeless tires may need to advise you.
 
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Sockwell, agree with all HCJ said but I have put antifreeze in mine as you said with the tire free of all load fine. My dealership uses an air tank with a plug they put the antifreeze in and let the air pressure push it in.
 
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DHD, sure not saying what you posted is not correct but left me little confused.

Fluid in the tire or wheel weight don't have the load on the axle as does 3 pth weight? Are you saying that is due to the weight being on the axle and ground and not on the tractor? Sort of makes sense. Yet if the weight is needed to keep traction is it not then applied to the bearings for as the tractor lifts the weight of the tires pulls down on the bearings.

But how is there a difference between any of those in relationship to the weight on the front axle?

Theres no difference on the weight of the front axel, but liquid ballast does not load up the rear axel. All the weight is pressing down on the inside of the tire which is against the ground.
 

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