Tiller Tiller or Box Scraper

[Buck]

Let's get down to the real metaphysics of compact tractor owning. I am going to challege some of the fundemental beliefs of the TBN group philosophy.

Here it is:

If you have a FEL, you would be happier with tillers, than a box scaper

1) Smoothing gravel: FEL in reverse.

2) Culverts: Till, move with FEL, smooth with FEL in reverse. Repeat.

3) Ruts: Till, smooth with FEL in reverse.

Let me know why I am wrong... There are a lot of new tractor owners here that will be reading this. I wish I would have gone straight to a tiller and saved my $500 for a bush hog.

Thanks,
Buck

 

[cstocks]

Buck,

I will soon be putting in a 100' gravel driveway. I have a FEL but I do not have a box blade. I have been considering buying or renting a box blade to do the job when the time comes. I can't really afford to buy a box blade right now but I know if I do buy one that I will get my money's worth out of it over time, so buying one is not the issue. Just the timing.

I have had my tractor for about a year and have put 100 hours on it, all FEL and mower work. I have no experience with a box blade whereas I am starting to get the hang of using my FEL.

My question to you is this. When you say smoothing gravel do you mean as in doing a small job or do you think I could spread 100' of gravel using my FEL?

Chris

 

[Buck]

cstocks,

If you were doing a 1000' feet, I'd get a scraper, rent or buy. 100' feet, well, I'd definitely use my FEL.

I'd come back to this thread over the next couple of days-- my gut feel is that there will be more opinions on your matter.

Buck

 

[Buck]

cstocks,

I should also say, that by using the FEL, I mean to level the bucket and pull the gravel backward, by going in reverse, using the back of the bucket as a smoothing device. Note that the excess gravel will pile up at the rear of the bucket in the same way the gravel will pile up inside the box scraper.

In either technique, the excess gravel will "fill" holes when needed if the level is set reasonably.

In either technique, you learn to raise or lower the implement when necessary.

It is not obvious to me that one technique is easier than the other.

The only exception is that the FEL technique requires traveling in reverse, something you probably don't care that much about for 100' of work.

Buck

 

[cstocks]

Yes, I have already done a lot of that reverse traveling using my Bush Hog. I keep my uncle's place mowed and he has a lot of fence rows and overhanging tree limbs that make for a lot of back and forth mowing.

I assume that spreading gravel would be the same as spreading dirt. That is to say, keeping the FEL loaded and level and back dragging with the FEL in the float position. I don't know how many truck loads of gravel it would take to make 100' driveway but that does sound like a lot of traveling in reverse. I guess can deal with the stiff neck if I can save the cost of a box blade.

Chris

 

[MarkV]

Buck,

I understand your thinking and don’t have a tiller but don’t think it would work for what I use a boxblade for. I my case most of my box blading is on a mile of common hard packed gravel road that would do terrible things to your tiller. As it is I don’t even try to work the roads unless we have had several days of rain. Back blading with the fell would not come close to cutting the surface of this road and cutting to the bottom of pot holes, which is the only way to get rid of them.

Guess it is like most implements and depends on what your needs are. In my case I still would need the box blade.

MarkV

 

[normde2001]

The main thing I can see is that you can buy a new 5' box scraper for half that price and that's about the starting price for a used tiller.

 

[crb478]

Have the truck that delivers your gravel spread it by dumping the load while driving forward. I am sure they will be used to doing it that way and you will just need to move a small amount of gravel into some of the spots that were not covered. Front end loader will work fine for this.
If I had a choice I would take the tiller over the box blade, overall I think it would be the most useful. I have a boxblade now, and can not work areas close to my house with it that I could with a tiller. The boxblade needs some distance to cut into the ground after you start going forward, but the tiller will go straight down. For me I always need to till up flower beds or gardens, and one day I plan on getting that elusive tiller.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

If a tiller and FEL does everything you need, then you're all set.

The box blade is probably not the best implement for anything, but it is pretty good for a lot of jobs. I've used the scarifiers on my box blade for hooking head-sized rocks and the stumps of 4" trees out of the ground. I don't usually consider using an FEL for those tasks, and I'll bet you wouldn't do it with your tiller either.

The only people I see around here who use tillers are gardeners. Farmers seem to like plows, discs, and cultivators (rippers, hybrids, etc.). Landscapers here use loaders, blades, pulverizers and rakes. We mostly have medium to heavy clay or silt soils with a fair number of stones from pebbles to 4' (glacial till).

 

[tdenny]

Good question.

I have a nice tiller (Maschio) - I got it when I purchased my used tractor as I am positive I wouldn't buy one. I only look at it and shake my head wondering if and when I'll ever find a use for it. My soil is all rocks/sand. No dirt at all, and I don't do any special gardening or things like that.

I am, however, patiently awaiting my new First Choice Box scraper and I think it will do alot for me. I currently use the loader to "shape" areas where I'm working but it doesn't seem to work as well as I'd like. I am sure that is mostly due to operator problems - I'm still not sure I have figured out how the "float" is supposed to work. The FEL does do an adequate job even under the tutelage of my limited skills.

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

<font color=blue>"I am, however, patiently awaiting my new First Choice Box scraper and I think it will do alot for me."</font color=blue>

Me, too! /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif/w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif I think mine was probably shipped yesterday or today and am like a kid as Christmas nears. I'm sure by the end of the week I'll be leaping at the phone every time it rings. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

 

[tdenny]

Gary,

Mine is apparently ready to go also. Boy do I have some work lined up for that thing. /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif Have fun.

 

[cstocks]

That is how I plan on doing it but I didn't know how much spreading I would have to do after the gravel is dumped. I guess I will find that out when the time comes. It sounds like a job that can be handled by my FEL and that is good. I appreciate the input.

Chris

 

[BBearden]

Box Scraper

I guess it depends on the terrain. If I had a mostly soil, I can see where the tiller would be handy. On my rocky terrain a box blade is best. My 1000' gravel driveway was done with box blade. Would have taken forever with just the FEL. One caveat; I highly and strongly recommend the top n tilt. It makes all the difference in the world. And it's true, there is a learning curve for the blades as well. The last 20' of the driveway look great!

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

TDenny, mine arrived TODAY!!! I'm picking it up first thing in the morning. Did I beat you? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif