The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

[4570Man]

The more bite force the better though. The CTL grapple bites WAY harder than my tractor grapple. It has everything in its favor, bigger cylinders better geometry, and 3500 psi hydraulics. It's very useful having more bite pressure.

 

[mopardude318]

If you were paying attention, I was correcting the guy that thought "more clamping force, per lid" up in post 2293. A lid doesn't put out more pressure by adding a second lid. You are simply putting pressure in two places instead of one, but the amount of pressure remains the same for each.

I thought that's what I was kinda getting at....More force over the entire load being carried...or rather, securing the load in more places than one...

 

[Sysop]

The more bite force the better though. The CTL grapple bites WAY harder than my tractor grapple. It has everything in its favor, bigger cylinders better geometry, and 3500 psi hydraulics. It's very useful having more bite pressure.

More is only better to the point of being sufficient. Overkill can have drawbacks as well. Why haven't you given your tractor and tractor grapple to some sorta charity if there is no longer a need for it?

 

[Cataclysm]

I think the pricing is within reason for a quality grapple.

I'm having trouble deciding between a 55" or 73" width for an M7060. I have decided I'd like the dual lid, however.

Don't let me or anyone else keep you from buying the grapple you want. If your buying an EA grapple reasonably sized for your tractor you just won.

It would be silly to hang a 1,000lbs grapple off a small tractor. The few pounds difference due to width and number of lids on a Wicked is a very small detail to get hung up on. Most operators won't be able to use those few pounds difference enough times to make any difference. Here again, comparing EA Wickeds.

According to EA's chart for a 71 hp tractor grapple your looking at 38 lbs difference in the 55" vs 73" and $45 dollars difference. Can you tell the difference of 38 lbs on your bucket? Neither can anyone else. Get the one you want.

What I do see is the 55" dual lid has the lids contacting at the outer tines. Depending on your uses that may or may not be a worth while feature.

It is a fun decision to make!

 

[Cataclysm]

If you were paying attention, I was correcting Mopardude318 up in post 2293 that said "more clamping force, per lid". A lid doesn't put out more pressure by adding a second lid. You are simply putting pressure in two places instead of one, but the amount of pressure remains the same for each.

Wasn't disputing you, just agreeing with 4570Man.

 

[4570Man]

More is only better to the point of being sufficient. Overkill can have drawbacks as well. Why haven't you given your tractor and tractor grapple to some sorta charity if there is no longer a need for it?

Over kill on the grapple to machine ratio is definitely possible. I'm not sure at what point bite force would be overkill. I wouldn't complain if I could split logs with the grapple teeth. I'm not much of a fan of so called charities. A donation of that scale will never happen from me. Pretty much the only thing the tractor grapple does better is not destroy grass.

 

[mopardude318]

oh man this is too much...


I think in order for us to REALLY figure out what size grapple and how many "lids" would be best, is to have all of them available to try, and use them for the same given task we would need to complete...IE: move these logs, or this pile of brush in this area, to over here, using this grapple....now do the same task with another grapple that's narrower, or has one lid, or wider with 2 lids...etc etc... we will never have that option, so I say ANY grapple is good, as long as you HAVE a grapple!!

I don't know man, I think were splitting hairs.

 

[IslandTractor]

The more bite force the better though. The CTL grapple bites WAY harder than my tractor grapple. It has everything in its favor, bigger cylinders better geometry, and 3500 psi hydraulics. It's very useful having more bite pressure.

Who ever complained about inadequate bite force?? The biggest rock I ever pulled out of the ground and could barely lift to transport was clamped by a single tine! And, with this style of grapple the lids main job is simply to keep the load from falling forward, gravity and the bottom tines do the serious work for the vast majority of loads.

 

[IslandTractor]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

According to EA's chart for a 71 hp tractor grapple your looking at 38 lbs difference in the 55" vs 73" and $45 dollars difference. Can you tell the difference of 38 lbs on your bucket? Neither can anyone else. Get the one you want.

The difference in weight between the EA single lid Wicked 54" and the double lid 72" is considerably more than on the inaccurate chart on their website. If you take their chart seriously then two lids weigh the same as one. Travis has some work to do to fix that rather egregious error on their chart. I would guesstimate based on lifting my 18" lid that an extra 27" lid plus cylinder add about 60-70 lbs anyways. And, that weight is more than a foot in front of the pins so functionally closer to 100lbs off the net lift capacity. Maybe Travis can weigh a lid plus cylinder to confirm.

And, going from 54 to 72 certainly has a weight penalty too. Not sure their chart is accurate but even that shows an 86lb difference which again is mostly forward of the pivot pins so functionally subtracts maybe an additional 125lbs from net lift capacity.

Using these "corrected" weights, a tractor with the 54" single could lift about 225lbs more than a 72" double. Pretty substantial weight penalty if you ask me.

Difference in price is way more than you indicated too. Single 54 sells for $1690. Double 54 costs $300 more. Double 72 costs about $450 more than the single 54.

Quite a cost AND lift capacity penalty if you ask me.

And, the weights listed on their bigger 75 hp grapples are BS too. No way does a 73 weigh only 37lbs more than a 55". As for cost, they are losing money on every 73 compared to 55 as you cannot buy the extra steel involved for $45.

PS: Hey Travis, we've pointed out inaccurate weights on your grapple chart before, when will that be fixed?

 

[lostcreekranch]

So many fleas to circumcise.................so little time.