The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

[lostcreekranch]

Why do you like the dual lid? Any experience using either single or dual? Ever heard a complaint by someone who has a single??

Never heard a complaint from anyone with dual lids either? I have both and like both.

 

[Sysop]

I can see wanting a dual lid for working with smaller stuff and stuff that is an odd shape. With the dual lid on an equal size grapple (not sure if it was 60 or 72 I was looking at in the pics), but it moves the outer edges of the lids out one tine toward the end of the grapple.

If picking up something like a smallish 200lbs rock, it can easily be hidden in front of the tractor when trying to grab it in the center of a single lid. With a dual lid, and the lids extending farther to the sides, you can easily see to pick the rock up with the outer edges.

I personally have picked up a couple 800ish pound rocks with my single lid that were oddly shaped. On one, because of the odd shape when I would bite down, only one of four tines in the single lid would make contact. When lifting the rock, the unsupported weight caused the rock to rotate on that single tine like a hinge pin putting the heavy end of the rock entirely out of the grasp of the grapple. That is how I ended up with this picture:

I thought I had a much better bite on it before lifting it out of the ground. A dual lid would have put more equal pressure on more points of the rock. At least two instead of just one.

My needs are narrow. Being able to reach between trees I cannot drive between to rip out brush. Being able to pluck a stone a couple feed across out of the ground without destroying the ground all around it. I love my 54" single lid and would not trade it for the world. That being said, when/if I get a second tractor, a larger dual lid Wicked Grapple is in my future.

 

[mopardude318]

Why do you like the dual lid? Any experience using either single or dual? Ever heard a complaint by someone who has a single??

ok, here we go...

IslandTractor, No experience, as I have never used a grapple, but I am here to learn from pals like yall... But I would THINK, and I have thought, over and over about the dual lid vs single...It makes sense to me that there would in theory, be more clamping force, per lid, vs only having one... more clamping force over the entirety of the load being carried...???

I agree the circumstances dictate how WIDE of a grapple a man should go...

Here is one of many, a small mess I need to clean up. The rounds are much bigger than the picture makes it out to be...

 

[lostcreekranch]

Compare a grapple to your hand.

Your thumb is the bottom of the grapple and your fingers are the lid(s).

Easier to control what you pick up with thumb and two fingers or thumb and one finger?

Prepare to hear a contrary opinion.

 

[Sysop]

It makes sense to me that there would in theory, be more clamping force, per lid, vs only having one... more clamping force over the entirety of the load being carried...???

No difference in the force/pressure at all. Single lid or dual are both fed from a single hydraulic feed and the pressure remains the same. The only real advantage is the the ability to have different sizes loads held by each lid simultaneously.

 

[Sysop]

Compare a grapple to your hand.

Your thumb is the bottom of the grapple and your fingers are the lid(s).

Easier to control what you pick up with thumb and two fingers or thumb and one finger?

Prepare to hear a contrary opinion.

Not sure about you, but when I reach down to pick a stick up from the ground, I reach under it with my fingers to support the weight and my thumb closes around it to prevent it from coming off my fingers. Not saying I disagree with two lids sometimes being better, just the hand analogy is upside-down from how a hand works and actually is better to show why a single lid can do 99% of what a dual lid can. Tines are fingers, lid is a thumb to hold stuff on the tines. How often would a second thumb really be handy? Apparently not so much mankind suffers due to it...

 

[IslandTractor]

Obviously to those that know me the question was rhetorical. Why buy a more expensive and heavier grapple than necessary. I certainly understand the theoretical "upgrade" to dual lids but in practice there are only a few settings where it makes a difference. Carrying firewood for example. Brush is so "sticky" that even a 48" single can clamp on so much brush that you cannot see to drive. And, my single is only 18" wide while the EA single is ??30" and much better designed and built. Point is simply that a newbie grapple buyer should carefully consider whether the trade off of higher price and lower net lift capacity is worthwhile when "upgrading" to dual lids.

 

[4570Man]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

No difference in the force/pressure at all. Single lid or dual are both fed from a single hydraulic feed and the pressure remains the same. The only real advantage is the the ability to have different sizes loads held by each lid simultaneously.

There's a big difference in pressure assuming the cylinders and the geometry are the same between the grapple. All three lids will have the same force and the duel lid grapple has twice as much combined force.

 

[Cataclysm]

Re: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

There's a big difference in pressure assuming the cylinders and the geometry are the same between the grapple. All three lids will have the same force and the duel lid grapple has twice as much combined force.

Winner! Every cylinder adds to the total combined force assuming equal geometry.

 

[Sysop]

If you were paying attention, I was correcting Mopardude318 up in post 2293 that said "more clamping force, per lid". A lid doesn't put out more pressure by adding a second lid. You are simply putting pressure in two places instead of one, but the amount of pressure remains the same for each.