Taking the state of the nation seriously?

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   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #61  
If you have ever been close to a major catastrophy like this I believe you would be a little more understanding of how long things take to organize. Most of what you hear on the TV is about New Orleans, and yes I believe I stated there were only some bad apples there.It seems the media has forgotten about the entire coastline of Mississippi and a good portion of Alabama, dont forget the tornados that were spawned from the storm in those states, Georgia, Tennessee, and Kentucky. There are millions of people in distress from this one storm.

It was also a storm that many underestimated. When you live in a coastal area that is threatened by hurricanes year after year, you become complacent believing it wont hit you(because it usually doesnt). The United states has never had a catastrophy like this, not even 9/11. No one was prepared, no one.

There is an entire city that has been wiped out, gone. It wasnt realized how bad it was until a day or two afterward, they couldnt communicate accuratly, even the news channels underestimated it. Durring that time plans were being made, money was being allocated, manpower was organized.

It's easy to say that someone was slacking, but it's rediculous to think that it can be done at the drop of a hat. I ask you, could you be in the most desolate, uninhabitable part of Antartica tomorrow with enough supplies to survive on your own(not to mention helping thousands of other people) for a week, not to mention months? We're talking food, water, generators, fuel,clothes, cash, and essentials? Oh yea, dont forget a boat, life vests, ropes, etc. Even a simple strike in a war can take several days to prepare, even if everything is in place.

Again, there has been and will continue to be entirely too much Monday morning quarterbacking on this subgect. It's always going to be too late, if someone was there an hour after the storm passed, they would have found many people they could have saved if they were 30min earlier.

It sucks, but its a fact of life, lets be greatful we live in a country that is willing to do something for its people. Even if it means spreading ourselves thin while helping everyone else in this selfish world. The cavalry has arrived and people are being helped, some more than they deserve, but we wont discriminate.
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #62  
Tonight on the National Music Telethon a gentleman spoke out and accused GW of sending in troops to kill blacks. He then accused GW of hating blacks. My wife and I couldn't believe what we were seeing and hearing. The station took a quick switch to another subject in another area. These people want help and this is what they have to say about our Government. One thing about mobizing to take care of a disaster. You can't do it in a day. You can't do it in an area as large as the path of Katrina even in a few days. Here's a question I'd like to ask the Mayor of New Orleans. Dear Sir, You knew this storm was coming. Why didn't you order public transportation to ferry out the people that were not able to get out of your city? Why didn't you use both sides of the freeways for evacuations?
We watched the evacuations on tv the other night. Only one side of the road was being used. In my opinion he is the one responsible for what happened in his city. Now he's looking for someone else to blame it on. He's the one that told the people to go the the Civic Center and the Dome. He was asked last night why he sent all those thousands of people to those two places when there was no water or food there. He couldn't answer the question and changed the subject.
"Saturday"
After watching the news last night my wife and I both agree that the news media has one agenda. That is to blame the president for what is going on in New Orleans. This is simply unbelievable. They are now saying that race may have been a contributing factor for the slow response of aid to New Orleans. I have yet to see any mention of why the Mayor didn't use public transportation to evacuate the city.
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #63  
I watched C span 1 yesterday and the Naacp/black caucus was on there some with there represenative's from the senetate/congress... I never heard such belly aching and griping and moaning.
I heard the other day on the media it was GW's enviromental policy that caused this hurricane because of the so called "green house effect" what a bunch of crap ....geeezh /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #64  
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I heard the other day on the media it was GW's enviromental policy that caused this hurricane because of the so called "green house effect" what a bunch of crap ....geeezh /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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There was also a show on where a scientists stated that the hurricane seasons of the 60's was not from global warming and they were as fierce as what we are experiencing now. They went on to say that the storms seem to come in cycles and no one knows why. To blame Katrina on global warming and GW is just another excuse for the Liberal Media to blame the Republicans for everything. This is what our society and the media has come to in America. It is a real shame.
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #65  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My quetion is why did it take us 5 days to get supplies to those people. It's not just welfare recipiants that are in trouble. Some of these people are hard working AMERICANS like you and I. Some were elderly who had no means of getting out, some were in the hospital and couldn't be moved. We owe it to them to help them. That is part of being an AMERICAN, we help one another when we are in trouble. The police are even looting to survive. I must say I don't agree with stealing TV's and such but I understand why they would take food and water. All of us would might do the same if we were in that situation. People are dying on the street and we wait until the 5th day to get supplies there. I realize some rescue efforts we halted because they were shot at and those who did the shooting should have been shot themselves. I am sorry but I think we dropped the ball on this one. )</font>


You hit the nail on the head!!

RedDog
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #66  
It wasn't that the White House dropped the ball on this one. There were programs already set in place in case of this type of catastrophy in New Orleans. That system set up by the city, state and the government failed. What also needs to be looked at is why the city did not move the people out using public transportation. The mayor cries foul when he himself should have got the job done. Instead he tells everyone to congregate where there is no food and water inside the city, DUH. Also look at the fact that a lot of our troops are in Iraq. You can't always expect the Government to take care of everything all the time right away. We sat on our butts since terrorists attacked us in 1979 until 2001 before we finally did something about it. Now that we are doing something about it. People are complaining about that too. You can't make everyone happy all the time.
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #67  
I'm replying to myself in order to not single anyone out. This thread is getting far too political with way too much of a right wing bias showing, and too much bashing of their favorite targets. It's also got way too much racism poking out.
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #68  
All I am saying is that the government knew that the storm was on it's way. I also believe that no one knew the magnitude of this storm and the devastation it would leave behind. I have never seen a hurricane or the results after it has passed. I do know that here when a tornado or conditions are right for development of a tornado our fire department dispatches us to the fire station to be on standby just in case it touches down. God for bid if it does we are ready to roll out the door. We have a plan for a triage center, shelter with food and water, medical supplies, if the storm should hit a hazardous material area we have a haz-mat team ready to respond from the station. This is what I don't understand is why when they knew it was coming they weren't prepared better. I do agree that the state and city government wasn't as prepared as they should have been, but I still feel the Federal government could have been ready and on scene in 24 hours or less. This has nothing to do with politics from my view. One other thing I might add is there is always something for all emergency agencies to learn after a situation arises like this so the next time we can do better. I am sure after this is all over they will review this and be more prepared for the next storm. The important thing now is that we are there and we need to do what ever possible to get these families back on their feet. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #69  
I'll reply to myself as well.....

The bias is far from right wing. Its realisim.... If it appears to be racist here, just look at TV, thats real racism. This article says quite a bit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_mississippi_hk2

Racism doesnt always have to be against blacks. I dont believe anyone here said anything negative about any race. The issue just happens to be selfishness of the folks in New Orleans, regardless of color,over the other folks that have it just as bad. You have a major crying poor me right now, so that makes news. The whole attitude is dispicable, and now we're percieved as racist for pointing it out? Whatever...........

Everyone has the right to their opinion, it seems some have more rights than others because my last post was deleted without a notice, maybe it wasnt me, but my opinion couldnt stay........

I for one am tired of the finger pointing and politicizing of this issue and am looking forward to more tractor related posts on the TBN.

Greg
 
   / Taking the state of the nation seriously? #70  
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I think we need to all step back. Don and I are friends, Don and I have no similarities in our politics other than we are both Americans. But Don's statement is very correct in relation to this thread.

The problem with threads like this is emotions tend to come into play, there is plenty of blame to go around, for the next few days, weeks and months, the best thing we can all do is roll up our sleeves and help out the folks who need it most. Something like 90,000 square miles were severely affected, it is not limited to just New Orleans. We can blame the good people who rode it out, we can blame the criminal element, we can blame the politicians, we can even blame the wind and the sea, but blame won't help Biloxi, or New Orleans or any points in between. Send a few dollars, donate some food, some clothes, or some time. Do something other than spread blame.

JMHO
 
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