JimR
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That would be a great idea.
Taking the state of the nation seriously?
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Farmwithjunk
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Is there government giving any thought to giving people "public works" jobs like FDR did during the depression? Seems like there is a lot of work to be done and a lot of people out of work. Looking at something that worked in the past may be one step in the right direction )</font>
Great idea in theory, but these are different times. Today, most everyone is wanting the government to hand them a check. No work in return.
We're going to see a percentage of the effected people dig in and work their way out of this mess. There'll be a percentage of people that will do what they can, and still be very reliant on what help they can get. Then there's the percentage that just sits there, waiting for someone to bail them out. They USUALLY complain that no one did enough, nor did it fast enough. You can see some of those people now, on TV. They're the ones packing TV sets, Nike shoe boxes, and someone elses furnature down the flooded streets. (LOOTERS)
OK. I've had my morning rant! I feel much better now.
Great idea in theory, but these are different times. Today, most everyone is wanting the government to hand them a check. No work in return.
We're going to see a percentage of the effected people dig in and work their way out of this mess. There'll be a percentage of people that will do what they can, and still be very reliant on what help they can get. Then there's the percentage that just sits there, waiting for someone to bail them out. They USUALLY complain that no one did enough, nor did it fast enough. You can see some of those people now, on TV. They're the ones packing TV sets, Nike shoe boxes, and someone elses furnature down the flooded streets. (LOOTERS)
OK. I've had my morning rant! I feel much better now.
RedRocker
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Is there government giving any thought to giving people "public works" jobs like FDR did during the depression? Seems like there is a lot of work to be done and a lot of people out of work. Looking at something that worked in the past may be one step in the right direction )</font>
I was thinking the same thing, a WPA type program to rebuild. 3 hots and a cot + minimum wage. I'm afraid Farmwithjunk is right though.
I was thinking the same thing, a WPA type program to rebuild. 3 hots and a cot + minimum wage. I'm afraid Farmwithjunk is right though.
Chuck52
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Wasn't the WPA one of those FDR inventions that the Supreme Court found to be unconstitutional?
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No. The WPA was ended in 1943 as employment increased because of the war. By June 30, 1943, when it was officially terminated, the WPA had employed more than 8,500,000 different persons on 1,410,000 individual projects, and had spent about $11 billion. During its 8-year history, the WPA built 651,087 miles of highways, roads, and streets; and constructed, repaired, or improved 124,031 bridges, 125,110 public buildings, 8,192 parks, and 853 airport landing fields.
In 1933, Congress authorized creation of the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, the Civilian Conservation Corps, the Farm Credit Administration, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Emergency Relief Administration, the National Recovery Administration, the Public Works Administration and the Tennessee Valley Authority. In 1935, Congress authorized creation of the Works Progress Administration, the National Labor Relations Board and the Rural Electrification Administration.
In 1933, alarmed by Roosevelt's plan to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, a group of millionaire businessmen, led by the Du Pont and J.P. Morgan empires, planned to overthrow Roosevelt with a military coup and install a fascist government. The businessmen tried to recruit General Smedley Butler, promising him an army of 500,000, unlimited financial backing and generous media spin control. The plot was foiled when Butler reported it to Congress.
In 1935, the Supreme Court declared the National Recovery Administration to be unconstitutional. In 1936, the Supreme Court declared part of the Agricultural Adjustment Act to be unconstitutional. In 1937, the Supreme Court declared the National Labor Relations Board to be unconstitutional. The WPA was never declared unconsitutional. The Supreme Court of the era was extremely conservative, and some of its decisions regarding monopolies, etc. helped set up conditions for the Great Depression.
In 1933, Congress authorized creation of the Agricultural Adjustment Administration, the Civilian Conservation Corps, the Farm Credit Administration, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Federal Emergency Relief Administration, the National Recovery Administration, the Public Works Administration and the Tennessee Valley Authority. In 1935, Congress authorized creation of the Works Progress Administration, the National Labor Relations Board and the Rural Electrification Administration.
In 1933, alarmed by Roosevelt's plan to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, a group of millionaire businessmen, led by the Du Pont and J.P. Morgan empires, planned to overthrow Roosevelt with a military coup and install a fascist government. The businessmen tried to recruit General Smedley Butler, promising him an army of 500,000, unlimited financial backing and generous media spin control. The plot was foiled when Butler reported it to Congress.
In 1935, the Supreme Court declared the National Recovery Administration to be unconstitutional. In 1936, the Supreme Court declared part of the Agricultural Adjustment Act to be unconstitutional. In 1937, the Supreme Court declared the National Labor Relations Board to be unconstitutional. The WPA was never declared unconsitutional. The Supreme Court of the era was extremely conservative, and some of its decisions regarding monopolies, etc. helped set up conditions for the Great Depression.
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Farmwithjunk
You are right, IMO. 'Giving' jobs won't work.
Jobs available for those who want to work is different.
Since the FDR era, people have grown more and more accustomed to getting a handout, and less and less able to 'go to work' for themselves. They want to blame 'someone' for everything that isn't 'just right' and 'comfortable' for them.
I think things could be handled differently, but given the information at hand, no-one can be 'blamed' for Katrina. Lets pick up the pieces and go forward.
You are right, IMO. 'Giving' jobs won't work.
Jobs available for those who want to work is different.
Since the FDR era, people have grown more and more accustomed to getting a handout, and less and less able to 'go to work' for themselves. They want to blame 'someone' for everything that isn't 'just right' and 'comfortable' for them.
I think things could be handled differently, but given the information at hand, no-one can be 'blamed' for Katrina. Lets pick up the pieces and go forward.
JimR
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They all want a welfare check for doing nothing.
Thats right guys, just look at their leader. The Mayor is among the first to point fingers screaming for assitance, is he doing his part? The Governor had to call for an end to looting because he couldnt handle it. He's part of the problem, instead of helping he's spending all his energy complaining. This is a time to pull together and help not complain. Unfortunatly the worst hit area in New Orleans was the low income housing area, so they didnt have much to begin with and many of them like to complain. This is most of what you see on TV. Now you have them shooting at the helicopters that are trying to help. How do we help those that are surrounded by the few that dont really want help? Its a sad situation.
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My quetion is why did it take us 5 days to get supplies to those people. It's not just welfare recipiants that are in trouble. Some of these people are hard working AMERICANS like you and I. Some were elderly who had no means of getting out, some were in the hospital and couldn't be moved. We owe it to them to help them. That is part of being an AMERICAN, we help one another when we are in trouble. The police are even looting to survive. I must say I don't agree with stealing TV's and such but I understand why they would take food and water. All of us would might do the same if we were in that situation. People are dying on the street and we wait until the 5th day to get supplies there. I realize some rescue efforts we halted because they were shot at and those who did the shooting should have been shot themselves. I am sorry but I think we dropped the ball on this one.
Buck
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Not a popular view I have but I find it hard to understand why one would live in northern coastal California (Earthquakes) or New Orleans precisely for the suffering that we are seeing.
I am surprised it is not worse than it is. I thought New Orleans would be an Atlantus by now. Thank God this turned out to be a Cat 3-4 Hurricane instead of a Cat 5. I wake up in the wee hours of the morning and pray to God every for the poor souls that continue their suffering.
As human beings we tend to forget pain and always remember pleasure. This is a fact. It is practically guaranteed by nature that this is not the worst we will see in most of our lifetimes.
I am surprised it is not worse than it is. I thought New Orleans would be an Atlantus by now. Thank God this turned out to be a Cat 3-4 Hurricane instead of a Cat 5. I wake up in the wee hours of the morning and pray to God every for the poor souls that continue their suffering.
As human beings we tend to forget pain and always remember pleasure. This is a fact. It is practically guaranteed by nature that this is not the worst we will see in most of our lifetimes.
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