synthetic fluids

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

is anyone using synthetic motor oil or hyd. fluid in thier tractors(thoughts and commments) and if so what brand and # .....thanks chris

 

[MikePA]

is anyone using synthetic motor oil or hyd. fluid in thier tractors(thoughts and commments) and if so what brand and # .....thanks chris

This is a much discussed topic in the Oil, Fuel & Lubricants forum. Many people use synthetics, Amsoil is one of the frequently mentioned oils and hyd fluid. I suggest reading through the existing threads before posting a question in that forum. There hasn't been much new information posted in years. Lots of old arguments by new people, but no new information.

Summary: If you live in a cold climate, synthetic oil and hydraulic fluid have some benefit. Easier start in winter, quieter hydraulic system. If you don't live in a cold climate, most people don't think they're worth it, but it's your money, spend it how you want to. Lots of people don't put enough hours on their tractor in a year to make using synthetics all that much more expensive. But this is a VERY subjective discussion, despite the numbers and 'proof' people toss around.

 

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

thanks mike i shouldnt have posted that question without looking around a little,"OOPS" you are right though,very subjective..chris

 

[TractorLegend]

I use RedLine oil in my Kioti engine- maybe an overkill- but I don't spend money at casinos so what the hey?
I plan to milk this tractor along until I'm old and grey (maybe 6 months from now? :~}
redlineoils.com

Being in the auto repair field for 24 yrs I must admit I don't look in the oils forum anymore. I tend to get too argumentative and controversial then leaving feeling like no one knows less about oil than me.
In the end no one can tell you if you use X type oil and change it at X interval your engine will last X amount of time as opposed to Y type oil or stretching the interval to Y amount of time. Its all experience, conjecture and opinion.
What I can tell you based in fact is engines with flat tappet cams should run synthetic oil or racing oil as the racing oil has ZDDP (zinc diphosphate) which is the cushion interface between this critical metal to metal union. Zinc has been removed from modern conventional motor oils since it kills catalytic converters in the form of blowby. Remember all the cam lobes going flat in the late 70's and 80's? This is when they started removing the zinc from oil. Its not a big deal in most modern automobile engines since they run roller tappets. Synthetic oil has a beautifully low friction coefficient which is sufficient to run in flat tappet situations also.

 

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

I use RedLine oil in my Kioti engine- maybe an overkill- but I don't spend money at casinos so what the hey?
I plan to milk this tractor along until I'm old and grey (maybe 6 months from now? :~}
redlineoils.com

Being in the auto repair field for 24 yrs I must admit I don't look in the oils forum anymore. I tend to get too argumentative and controversial then leaving feeling like no one knows less about oil than me.
In the end no one can tell you if you use X type oil and change it at X interval your engine will last X amount of time as opposed to Y type oil or stretching the interval to Y amount of time. Its all experience, conjecture and opinion.
What I can tell you based in fact is engines with flat tappet cams should run synthetic oil or racing oil as the racing oil has ZDDP (zinc diphosphate) which is the cushion interface between this critical metal to metal union. Zinc has been removed from modern conventional motor oils since it kills catalytic converters in the form of blowby. Remember all the cam lobes going flat in the late 70's and 80's? This is when they started removing the zinc from oil. Its not a big deal in most modern automobile engines since they run roller tappets. Synthetic oil has a beautifully low friction coefficient which is sufficient to run in flat tappet situations also.

thanks tractor legend,i had already made up my mind to run synthetic oil after the 50 hr. break in didnt want to ruffle any feathers,like whats better or worse, just looking for brands and compatability with kioti tractors, and maybe if anyone was using it in thier hst system(no not motor oil) -(synthetic hyd oil)

just looking if they noticed thier hst system running quieter,smoother,cooler or the like.....thanks for the reply going to redline website right now...chris

 

[MikePA]

Amsoil makes both syn engine oil and hyd fluid. There's nothing unique about the oil and hyd fluid Kioti tractors need.

 

[Highbeam]

That'll be 7-8 gallons of synthetic fluid for the hydraulics/trans. Seems expensive. The engine only needs 1.5 gallons so not so bad.

 

[MikePA]

Seems expensive.

To some it is, to others it's not. Depends why someone is buying synthetic. Same debate issue that has always come up in the Oils forum.

Of course, you don't change hyd fluid as often as engine oil either.

 

[williekioti]

Synthetic oil in engine (after 50 hr svc) and dino for the tranny/hydro. I figure the Synth for North Country winter starts and extra protection is worth the extra $$. Especially like Mike said, for the hours someone like me puts on.

 

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

like tractor legend said,i also want to make this machine last as long as possible,and if synthetic will make it run cooler,that seems like a step in the right direction,i have a pretty big job for it as soon as i get the right attachments...tearing out a lot of packed gravel and then down through the base rock....chris

 

[MikePA]

...and if synthetic will make it run cooler

Synthetics will not make it run cooler.

 

[GreenMtns]

Would synthetic hyd fluid be better for the transmission in very cold climate when first starting to move? Dyno oils can be pretty thick when cold and there are seals and o-rings in these transmissions.
I agree synthetics are expensive but I wonder if in this case they might be worth the extra expense.

Al

 

[MikePA]

Would synthetic hyd fluid be better for the transmission in very cold climate when first starting to move?

Yes, that's why I mentioned this in my first post in this thread.

Summary: If you live in a cold climate, synthetic oil and hydraulic fluid have some benefit. Easier start in winter, quieter hydraulic system. If you don't live in a cold climate, most people don't think they're worth it, but it's your money, spend it how you want to. Lots of people don't put enough hours on their tractor in a year to make using synthetics all that much more expensive. But this is a VERY subjective discussion, despite the numbers and 'proof' people toss around.

 

[Woodbeef]

Yes, Synthetics are great choices. Just make sure you get a real one,and not one made from cracked dino. Royal Purple is the one I use. Best I found so far,and I've been using them since the early 80s.
Royal Purple Consumer, Industrial, & Racing Divisions

 

[300wtby]

Yes, Synthetics are great choices. Just make sure you get a real one,and not one made from cracked dino. Royal Purple is the one I use. Best I found so far,and I've been using them since the early 80s.
Royal Purple Consumer, Industrial, & Racing Divisions

thanks woodbeef, im just about ready for the first fluid change,time to get out the wallet, im definetly going to run synthetics, ill check into royal purple, see if i can find someone who carries it in my area.

ive changed my user name my wife registered me the first time, and if your not carefull itll just put your email adress as your username way to much typing to log in. thanks ....chris

 

[RexB]

...
ive changed my user name my wife registered me the first time, and if your not carefull itll just put your email adress as your username way to much typing to log in. thanks ....chris

Wait'll you try to use the "Photos" section...i been navigating forums for years, re-read the faq, and it still won't log me into that section to upload photos so I am missing something. Wrote the Admins twice, no response.

Not cold enough here for syn oil to justify expense for me, am hard of hearing so quieter hydraulics won't matter and i don't use syn in the tractors. But I did goof and put syn in the old Ford truck with 150Kmiles and it likes it (grabbed the new Ford's oil jug by mistake). Thought the seals might leak and I'd have to change oil again, but its fine.

Your "300wtby is mo' betta'

 

[300wtby]

Wait'll you try to use the "Photos" section...i been navigating forums for years, re-read the faq, and it still won't log me into that section to upload photos so I am missing something. Wrote the Admins twice, no response.

Not cold enough here for syn oil to justify expense for me, am hard of hearing so quieter hydraulics won't matter and i don't use syn in the tractors. But I did goof and put syn in the old Ford truck with 150Kmiles and it likes it (grabbed the new Ford's oil jug by mistake). Thought the seals might leak and I'd have to change oil again, but its fine.

Your "300wtby is mo' betta'

seems kind of odd that you can edit just about anything, but your username, maybe they could let you change it once, in case you have a mistake like i did, but i guess theres ways around everything,

i have'nt had any problems in the photo section,but i have'nt tried posting any pics. in there either,see what happens.

it was a toss up between 300wtby or 450mar, both much easier to log in with 300wtby one..

and depending which brand of synthetic hyd. oil i use its going to be at least 150-200$ proposition for 8 gallons, coming up on that first service, might have to wait till next time for hyd. fluid, would be hard to stomach a 300$ fluid,filter change. when i have visions of box scrapers dancing in my head.......chris

 

[Oleozz]

I use a synthetic blend from Texas Refinery Co. in my DK 45. When it's time to change my hydraulic oil I am going to also use TRC's oil.

 

[Captinjack]

I just filled my gear tractor xmission with Royal Purple and it made an obvious improvement to the ease of shifting and I believe it is also quieter.

I've been using it in my motorcycle and it also runs cooler by at least 20 degrees F. Been using RP for about the last 7 yrs. in the bike. It's $$ but to make the tractor shift easier, it's got to be better for it.

 

[300wtby]

I just filled my gear tractor xmission with Royal Purple and it made an obvious improvement to the ease of shifting and I believe it is also quieter.

I've been using it in my motorcycle and it also runs cooler by at least 20 degrees F. Been using RP for about the last 7 yrs. in the bike. It's $$ but to make the tractor shift easier, it's got to be better for it.

yeah im leaning towards RP in the engine,can get it localy instead of 40 mile round trip for amsoil. and its only 1.5 gallonsinstead of 8

ill have to call about the texas refinery fluids, to see if they are available around me,and pricing, looked at thier web page sounds good, maybe if a blends not to much more than dino,ill give it a try....chris