synthetic fluids

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

is anyone using synthetic motor oil or hyd. fluid in thier tractors(thoughts and commments) and if so what brand and # .....thanks chris

 

[MikePA]

is anyone using synthetic motor oil or hyd. fluid in thier tractors(thoughts and commments) and if so what brand and # .....thanks chris

This is a much discussed topic in the Oil, Fuel & Lubricants forum. Many people use synthetics, Amsoil is one of the frequently mentioned oils and hyd fluid. I suggest reading through the existing threads before posting a question in that forum. There hasn't been much new information posted in years. Lots of old arguments by new people, but no new information.

Summary: If you live in a cold climate, synthetic oil and hydraulic fluid have some benefit. Easier start in winter, quieter hydraulic system. If you don't live in a cold climate, most people don't think they're worth it, but it's your money, spend it how you want to. Lots of people don't put enough hours on their tractor in a year to make using synthetics all that much more expensive. But this is a VERY subjective discussion, despite the numbers and 'proof' people toss around.

 

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

thanks mike i shouldnt have posted that question without looking around a little,"OOPS" you are right though,very subjective..chris

 

[TractorLegend]

I use RedLine oil in my Kioti engine- maybe an overkill- but I don't spend money at casinos so what the hey?
I plan to milk this tractor along until I'm old and grey (maybe 6 months from now? :~}
redlineoils.com

Being in the auto repair field for 24 yrs I must admit I don't look in the oils forum anymore. I tend to get too argumentative and controversial then leaving feeling like no one knows less about oil than me.
In the end no one can tell you if you use X type oil and change it at X interval your engine will last X amount of time as opposed to Y type oil or stretching the interval to Y amount of time. Its all experience, conjecture and opinion.
What I can tell you based in fact is engines with flat tappet cams should run synthetic oil or racing oil as the racing oil has ZDDP (zinc diphosphate) which is the cushion interface between this critical metal to metal union. Zinc has been removed from modern conventional motor oils since it kills catalytic converters in the form of blowby. Remember all the cam lobes going flat in the late 70's and 80's? This is when they started removing the zinc from oil. Its not a big deal in most modern automobile engines since they run roller tappets. Synthetic oil has a beautifully low friction coefficient which is sufficient to run in flat tappet situations also.

 

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

I use RedLine oil in my Kioti engine- maybe an overkill- but I don't spend money at casinos so what the hey?
I plan to milk this tractor along until I'm old and grey (maybe 6 months from now? :~}
redlineoils.com

Being in the auto repair field for 24 yrs I must admit I don't look in the oils forum anymore. I tend to get too argumentative and controversial then leaving feeling like no one knows less about oil than me.
In the end no one can tell you if you use X type oil and change it at X interval your engine will last X amount of time as opposed to Y type oil or stretching the interval to Y amount of time. Its all experience, conjecture and opinion.
What I can tell you based in fact is engines with flat tappet cams should run synthetic oil or racing oil as the racing oil has ZDDP (zinc diphosphate) which is the cushion interface between this critical metal to metal union. Zinc has been removed from modern conventional motor oils since it kills catalytic converters in the form of blowby. Remember all the cam lobes going flat in the late 70's and 80's? This is when they started removing the zinc from oil. Its not a big deal in most modern automobile engines since they run roller tappets. Synthetic oil has a beautifully low friction coefficient which is sufficient to run in flat tappet situations also.

thanks tractor legend,i had already made up my mind to run synthetic oil after the 50 hr. break in didnt want to ruffle any feathers,like whats better or worse, just looking for brands and compatability with kioti tractors, and maybe if anyone was using it in thier hst system(no not motor oil) -(synthetic hyd oil)

just looking if they noticed thier hst system running quieter,smoother,cooler or the like.....thanks for the reply going to redline website right now...chris

 

[MikePA]

Amsoil makes both syn engine oil and hyd fluid. There's nothing unique about the oil and hyd fluid Kioti tractors need.

 

[Highbeam]

That'll be 7-8 gallons of synthetic fluid for the hydraulics/trans. Seems expensive. The engine only needs 1.5 gallons so not so bad.

 

[MikePA]

Seems expensive.

To some it is, to others it's not. Depends why someone is buying synthetic. Same debate issue that has always come up in the Oils forum.

Of course, you don't change hyd fluid as often as engine oil either.

 

[williekioti]

Synthetic oil in engine (after 50 hr svc) and dino for the tranny/hydro. I figure the Synth for North Country winter starts and extra protection is worth the extra $$. Especially like Mike said, for the hours someone like me puts on.

 

[chris.fam@centurytel.net]

like tractor legend said,i also want to make this machine last as long as possible,and if synthetic will make it run cooler,that seems like a step in the right direction,i have a pretty big job for it as soon as i get the right attachments...tearing out a lot of packed gravel and then down through the base rock....chris