SPLITTING A TS254c
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greg_g
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Sorry, typographical error. 6203Z is stamped into the face of my spare TS345C pilot bearing. Should be same as your TS254. Measure your takoff, confirm that it's 17x40x12. If yes, then buy a 6203Z.
Note: looking at this Russian site http://www.priam.ru/dpi/list08.htm it appears that a 60203 crosses over to a 6203Z anyway
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All bell housing-to-engine bolts where tighten to about 2 LBS. of torque. A four year old with a box wrench and some instruction could have easily taken them off---that's sad. Removed all bolts (2 at a time) and used Permatex brand thread locker (red) and tightened to about 90 lbs(+-). Having some trouble with those clutch fingers. The old pins need to be ground down just a little at the leading tip to get them to go thru the new fingers---and those springs are a bit of a pain to deal with---but they're going on. Should be running at the end of today if I'm not interrupted---which is usually the case.
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All bell housing-to-engine bolts where tighten to about 2 LBS. of torque. A four year old with a box wrench and some instruction could have easily taken them off---that's sad. Removed all bolts (2 at a time) and used Permatex brand thread locker (red) and tightened to about 90 lbs(+-). Having some trouble with those clutch fingers. The old pins need to be ground down just a little at the leading tip to get them to go thru the new fingers---and those springs are a bit of a pain to deal with---but they're going on. Should be running at the end of today if I'm not interrupted---which is usually the case.
G.
mtschwartz
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I just wanted to send a reply Thanking all the contributors to this thread. My Kama TS254c throw out bearing self destructed this weekend and did the exact same damage described here. I'll be contacting Chip today and hopefully he'll have the parts I need. I'm really glad to have another option than to put it back together with another Chinese bearing.
I used a floor jack in the back and an engine hoist in the front. After the split I supported both ends with floor jacks for additional stability and safety. I had already done all the parts removal and split before reading this thread. I followed the same process but I probably would have spent less time figuring everything out for myself had I read it first.
Again, thanks to all. Reading other's experiences really helps plodding along forward.
Matt
I used a floor jack in the back and an engine hoist in the front. After the split I supported both ends with floor jacks for additional stability and safety. I had already done all the parts removal and split before reading this thread. I followed the same process but I probably would have spent less time figuring everything out for myself had I read it first.
Again, thanks to all. Reading other's experiences really helps plodding along forward.
Matt
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Chip doesn't have the primary clutch release fingers for the drive transmission (1st engagement) for the TS254c nor did he have any on order when I talked to him last week. He did have a clutch assembly on order that he thought would be in this week. At $500 for what will be 3 clutch release fingers I'm in a bit of sticker shock! The fingers are $15.95 but are 6 weeks to order and $150 air freight!
Does anyone know if you can leave out the 3 primary release fingers and put it back together to use until the replacement fingers arrive? That's basically how mine was operating anyway until the bearing self-destructed.
Also, I've been looking for a comparable replacement since I figured the chinese didn't completely invent that clutch design on their own. It looks to me if it might be designed after a Long tractor 11" clutch assembly built in Romania. Why the chinese wouldn't choose something with a better service record, such as a Massey-Furgeson 135, I haven't a clue. I'm trying to find a Long dealer now to compare measurements.
I'm also trying to figure out if I may be able to repair my clutch fingers. I doubt it but may try anyway. The outside frame steel is still intact, just badly bent so I may try to heat and straighten the steel, reforge it, and add weld some contact surface material to it.
If anyone has any experience doing this, I'd greatly appreciate your guidance.
Thanks all!
Does anyone know if you can leave out the 3 primary release fingers and put it back together to use until the replacement fingers arrive? That's basically how mine was operating anyway until the bearing self-destructed.
Also, I've been looking for a comparable replacement since I figured the chinese didn't completely invent that clutch design on their own. It looks to me if it might be designed after a Long tractor 11" clutch assembly built in Romania. Why the chinese wouldn't choose something with a better service record, such as a Massey-Furgeson 135, I haven't a clue. I'm trying to find a Long dealer now to compare measurements.
I'm also trying to figure out if I may be able to repair my clutch fingers. I doubt it but may try anyway. The outside frame steel is still intact, just badly bent so I may try to heat and straighten the steel, reforge it, and add weld some contact surface material to it.
If anyone has any experience doing this, I'd greatly appreciate your guidance.
Thanks all!
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I'm not sure if this is the same Rongcheng Clutch that Jinma Uses ,maybe Chip can confirm this, if so we keep the complete assemblies in stock
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Nope. One set of 3 are required for the PTO clutch, the other set of 3 are for the main drive clutch. I have a rebuilt six finger clutchpack with PTO friction disc and both bearings if you're interested. It came out of my TS354C.
Tommy; I thought I could help another member out here a while back with a six finger clutch problem. I'm pretty it was a Jinma. But as soon as he uploaded a couple of photos, I saw straight away that his was different than the TaiShan
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Well,that sums that up, I can get The Kama parts too,but I have been leaving that up to Chip,I will check with him if he does not plan to keep some clutchs in stock I will bring some in,maybe he's just sold out right now.I have orders leaving China monthly so I can get some added if I need to
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mtschwartz
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Chip says he's got a clutch kit coming in this week but not the individual fingers, which is all I need. I hate to buy the entire clutch kit at around $500 just to get $50 worth of fingers. I plan on fixing this thing right and selling it cheap to get it out of my hair. Is there any chance you could order me a set of the primary 1st to engage clutch fingers?
I bought the TS254c 4 years ago to replace my tired 1973 Massey Ferguson 135 and have worked more on the Kama than I ever did on the MF135 and it has over 2800 hours. The Kama is just over 125 hours. The only thing wrong with the MF was it was tired and worn out. I'm going to rebuild the motor and go back to the MF. It was much more dependable and parts are much easier to come by when something does go wrong.
Thanks!
I bought the TS254c 4 years ago to replace my tired 1973 Massey Ferguson 135 and have worked more on the Kama than I ever did on the MF135 and it has over 2800 hours. The Kama is just over 125 hours. The only thing wrong with the MF was it was tired and worn out. I'm going to rebuild the motor and go back to the MF. It was much more dependable and parts are much easier to come by when something does go wrong.
Thanks!
mtschwartz
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Greg, how much do you want of the rebuilt unit? I just need to fingers but I'd be interested in buying a used/rebuilt clutch pack to get them.
Thanks, Matt
Thanks, Matt
