Simplicity Legacy Tractor?

Yander · Apr 21, 2023

I would look at the Massey Ferguson GC series. My guess is the reason you don't see the legacy sold anymore is the SCUT took over that market.

2manyrocks · Apr 21, 2023

Local Cub Cadet dealer says these will mow 20 degree slopes and more, but can't get them fast enough. Nearly $23K.

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I think the Branson 2515H tractor with loader is in the same price range, but it is not really designed for commercial lawn mowing.

I'm probably not helping. I've been looking at slope mowers myself. Not seeing any inexpensive options.

Thomas · Apr 21, 2023

I would consider Kubota F series or another model the same,for future plans you made need it...pay little more and be happier and ready.

2manyrocks · Apr 21, 2023

I'm seeing a $23,499 msrp for the Kubota F2690 with a Kubota diesel engine which puts it in the same price range as the Cub Cadet and Altoz that only have gas engines. Mowers - Front Mount Mowers - F2690 | Kubota. Any idea where to find the slope specification?

edit: using build my Kubota, it looks like the F2690 with a mowing deck is about $29,000.

Paystar · Apr 21, 2023

Yander said:
I would look at the Massey Ferguson GC series. My guess is the reason you don't see the legacy sold anymore is the SCUT took over that market.

I think that is why the Massey/Simplicity ownership ended? The GC pretty much took all the sales. Most people that just want a lawn tractor buy the cheap box store stuff, not a Simplicity.

The GC is awesome and I think the best SCUT out there. But the 1880 version of the BX has a bit smaller footprint than a GC or the other BX models if someone is looking for a smaller/lighter machine.

tacticalturnip · Apr 21, 2023

Ayuh, the subcompact killed off the heavy garden tractor. Absolutely slaughtered it. SCUT's are the reason Deere turned the X700 into a boutique mower, dropping the option of a loader. Simplicity went the opposite way, they gave the Legacy a slightly larger footprint, added a ROPS, and stuck a 30 horsepower gas engine in the thing. It was not a successful endeavor.

BigBlue1 · Apr 21, 2023

tacticalturnip said:
Ayuh, the subcompact killed off the heavy garden tractor. Absolutely slaughtered it. SCUT's are the reason Deere turned the X700 into a boutique mower, dropping the option of a loader. Simplicity went the opposite way, they gave the Legacy a slightly larger footprint, added a ROPS, and stuck a 30 horsepower gas engine in the thing. It was not a successful endeavor.

Well, that's not really the accurate story there. The x7-series dropped loader as an option because the frame requirements to support a loader would have pushed the model over the US ROPs weight limit, forcing the tractor to have a ROPs. That's a feature most folks who want a lawn/garden tractor are resistant to. Since the 102x SCUT has loader they kept the x7 lighter and without ROPs and omitted the loader.

As for boutique mower, that's a huge LOL!! The x7-series is wildly popular and is a true garden tractor. Far from just a 'mower'.

The failure of the Legacy makes a lot of sense. Mowing lawns with a heavier SCUT size/style tractor is less desirable than with something x7 size or smaller. Usually the SCUTs have MFWD vs AWS on the x7, which is harder on lawns. And at least a good portion of SCUTs have R4 tires, which are also harder on lawns. Does a SCUT work as a mower? Sure. But it's not ideal.

cbg8670 · Apr 21, 2023

I have a mahindra max xl. I mow with a52 in flail behind it on some steep slopes works good.

I agree with others that a SCUT
would probably be the ticket for you

tacticalturnip · Apr 21, 2023

I didn't say it wasn't capable, just that Deere pushes it as a boutique mower, which they do. Once you add a rear PTO and 3 point hitch it makes sense for most people to step up to a 1 series, which they often do.

They could have engineered a workaround, but it wasn't worth the investment, because subcompacts rule the market. Ergo, the popularity of that type edged the X7 series out of that market. The regulations were nothing more than the final nail.

Lastly, the 1025R is an excellent mower.

PreacherM · Apr 21, 2023

Hexa Fox said:
If I were to say get a used 2025r loaded with a cab and all the same attachments you are probably talking closer to $40,000

Why Are you comparing the Legacy to a 2025r? A 1025r will be cheaper and is still much more capable than a Legacy.
The real question is whether you want #1 a grass mower/garden tractor or #2 a real (albeit small) diesel tractor?

2manyrocks · Apr 21, 2023

The classic heavy lawn and garden tractor has been going away for the last 40 years. International had the Cub Cadet with a pretty heavy frame/cast rear end. Ford, Massey and Wheel horse made competing models. When International started putting small diesel engines in their Cub Cadets as did John Deere, it seemed they put us on the path to today's subcompact diesel tractors like the BX series made by Kubota.

BigBlue1 · Apr 21, 2023

tacticalturnip said:
I didn't say it wasn't capable, just that Deere pushes it as a boutique mower, which they do. Once you add a rear PTO and 3 point hitch it makes sense for most people to step up to a 1 series, which they often do.

They could have engineered a workaround, but it wasn't worth the investment, because subcompacts rule the market. Ergo, the popularity of that type edged the X7 series out of that market. The regulations were nothing more than the final nail.

Lastly, the 1025R is an excellent mower.

The term "boutique" is a ridiculous one. There is nothing "small & fasionable" about the x7 series. It's one of the most popular garden tractors in rural areas. Certainly not rare to see one. Deere pushes it for what it is, a top-tier lawn mowing tractor that can also excel at snowblowing, garden tilling, bagging leaves, etc.

tacticalturnip · Apr 21, 2023

Sorry I hurt your feelings friend, but while the Signature Series may not be small it certainly is fashionable. It's aimed primarily at the high-end suburban consumer looking for a mower, possibly snow blower, that gives them the warm and fuzzies when they sit on it. That's why the majority of marketing for it discusses mowing, and shows smiling, happy suburbanites running the machines.

Paystar · Apr 21, 2023

tacticalturnip said:
Sorry I hurt your feelings friend, but while the Signature Series may not be small it certainly is fashionable. It's aimed primarily at the high-end suburban consumer looking for a mower, possibly snow blower, that gives them the warm and fuzzies when they sit on it. That's why the majority of marketing for it discusses mowing, and shows smiling, happy suburbanites running the machines.

Love your signature line Tac! Stuff and Junk LOL

I got a lot of that too.

tacticalturnip · Apr 21, 2023

Much appreciated; I'd been using it on GTT for a while now, but I'm a bit ashamed, I just realized how to add a signature here.

plastikosmd · Apr 21, 2023

Neighbor is considering upping to the x7 from x5.
I got to try it, cool little machine (but I don’t mow or snowblow like he does)
Seemed pretty solid for the size

BigBlue1 · Apr 22, 2023

tacticalturnip said:
Sorry I hurt your feelings friend, but while the Signature Series may not be small it certainly is fashionable. It's aimed primarily at the high-end suburban consumer looking for a mower, possibly snow blower, that gives them the warm and fuzzies when they sit on it. That's why the majority of marketing for it discusses mowing, and shows smiling, happy suburbanites running the machines.

LOL!! You gotta get out more, man. Reality ain't like your window through the Internet. But it's good to see you're passionate about something.

2manyrocks · Apr 22, 2023

tacticalturnip said:
Sorry I hurt your feelings friend, but while the Signature Series may not be small it certainly is fashionable. It's aimed primarily at the high-end suburban consumer looking for a mower, possibly snow blower, that gives them the warm and fuzzies when they sit on it. That's why the majority of marketing for it discusses mowing, and shows smiling, happy suburbanites running the machines.

IMPO, a brilliant summary of marketing. Who else would they sell to because it's too big for a postage stamp sized city lot and too small for the country folks who have real farm tractors to use. And it fits with all the "happy" smiling marketing today unlike the marketing that used to be about getting work done because today is all about happy and not much about work.

tacticalturnip · Apr 22, 2023

Deere markets the Signature Series as a boutique mower, a status symbol, and while it is a capable garden tractor that doesn't change how it's pushed to the public.