Shipping Tractors

[jyoutz]

Are you currently getting it?

Nope. Stocks are in the toilet.

 

[jyoutz]

Its not politics
Its policies

Ok, most oil is on state and private lands, regulated by state policy, not federal.

 

[jyoutz]

I keep hearing that their oil companies have 9000 leases they are not drilling on.
I also hear the term "permits" and I assume once leases are granted you don't need any more "permits" so..... why aren't the companies drilling?
Could it be... permits held up by GOVERNMENT is the hold up?
Could it be "permits" ARE needed?
Could that be why people think Biden & the Dem's. could speed things along IF they wanted to?

That’s not how it works on federal land. Leases are offered and sold by the government. These leases last for decades. Clean water permits are issued by state regulatory agencies, not the federal government. Once a lease has been issued on federal lands, the activities have been authorized until the lease expiration date. The clean water act permits do originate from the clean water act adopted by the Nixon administration, but states are the enforcement agency.

 

[Gee Ray]

I do not believe that a lease from the feds is all that you need. There are "frost laws" that restrict the movement of equipment on public roads to certain time of the year. There are restrictions on the water usage and oil wells require a lot of water. Then there are collection problems to consider. How do you get the oil to market? Miles of pipelines to collect the oil, pumps to install. All this requires large amounts of money.

You can not invest millions of dollars on new wells when the current administration has stated they want to do away with fossil fuels.

There is no quick fix to this problem. Uncle Sam is going to make firm commitments to allow for the oil/gas production to be protected from further restrictions from Executive Orders.

 

[LD48750]

That’s not how it works on federal land. Leases are offered and sold by the government. These leases last for decades. Clean water permits are issued by state regulatory agencies, not the federal government. Once a lease has been issued on federal lands, the activities have been authorized until the lease expiration date. The clean water act permits do originate from the clean water act adopted by the Nixon administration, but states are the enforcement agency.

So.... feds pass clean water regs.
States enforce them.
Feds can't change them because the states won't let the feds make the rules?
But the feds made the rules in the first place so it's the states fault??
I think I'm cornfuzed.........

 

[jyoutz]

So.... feds pass clean water regs.
States enforce them.
Feds can't change them because the states won't let the feds make the rules?
But the feds made the rules in the first place so it's the states fault??
I think I'm cornfuzed.........

Clean water regulations have been with us since the 1970s and stars have been enforcing them since then. Oil companies and everyone else that are regulated under those permits are getting the permits as SOP and it has no effect on stopping operations. States have lists of “best management practices” for different activities and the industry is used to compliance. Permits are issued and operations continue. We deal with those in the forestry industry also. Clean water is a good idea.

 

[Hay Dude]

And the Transportation Secretary's policy to negate is to buy electric vehicles. I am searching now for E tractors and long haulers but coming up empty so far. I will be back to update when I find it.

Inflation is also fueled by transfer payments from the government directly to workers employed in lower paying jobs last 2 years
This created a worker shortage, but demand for goods stayed high because those unemployed workers still had money to spend.
High demand, but low supply increases prices = inflation.
Now add money printing which means more dollars chasing fewer goods = severe inflation.

GDP levels are bad and full employment is STILL below pre ’20 levels.
Diesel fuel rose 38% in 2021-nothing to do with Russia/Ukraine

 

[LD48750]

Clean water regulations have been with us since the 1970s and stars have been enforcing them since then. Oil companies and everyone else that are regulated under those permits are getting the permits as SOP and it has no effect on stopping operations. States have lists of “best management practices” for different activities and the industry is used to compliance. Permits are issued and operations continue. We deal with those in the forestry industry also. Clean water is a good idea.

Yup...
And the higher gas prices & all of inflation is because Putin invaded Ukraine.
Just like Biden said.

 

[Hay Dude]

Yup...
And the higher gas prices & all of inflation is because Putin invaded Ukraine.
Just like Biden said.

Yeah…..let’s just ignore the 38% increase in ‘21.

 

[jyoutz]

Inflation is also fueled by transfer payments from the government directly to workers employed in lower paying jobs in ‘20-‘21.
This created a worker shortage, but demand for goods stayed high because those unemployed workers still had money to spend.
High demand, but low supply increases prices = inflation.
Now add money printing which means more dollars chasing fewer goods = severe inflation.

GDP levels are bad and full employment is STILL below pre ’20 levels.
Diesel fuel rose 38% in 2021-nothing to do with Russia/Ukraine

All true. Diesel prices rose in 2021 and production also rose. Then the oilfield worker shortages also resulted in higher wages to attract employees and higher costs along with inflation in general. It is easy to see why a lot of people who were laid off by the industry in 2020 don’t want to return to that work. Take a drive through west Texas and eastern New Mexico oil country and see the work camps: rows of wooden sheds with barbecue grills by the front door and rows of plastic porta potties. It’s a young single guy’s job that most people only want to do for a few years, except for those who rise to supervisory and management positions.

 

[Hay Dude]

All true. Diesel prices rose in 2021 and production also rose. Then the oilfield worker shortages also resulted in higher wages to attract employees and higher costs along with inflation in general. It is easy to see why a lot of people who were laid off by the industry in 2020 don’t want to return to that work. Take a drive through west Texas and eastern New Mexico oil country and see the work camps: rows of wooden sheds with barbecue grills by the front door and rows of plastic porta potties. It’s a young single guy’s job that most people only want to do for a few years, except for those who rise to supervisory and management positions.

But those jobs are a huge necessity to the survival of our country! Paying people to not do those jobs is extremely detrimental. Now companies have to pay them much more and that helps cause inflation!
Surprised you don’t get that.

 

[jyoutz]

But those jobs are a huge necessity to the survival of our country! Paying people to not do those jobs is extremely detrimental. Now companies have to pay them much more and that helps cause inflation!
Surprised you don’t get that.

I do get that. I said that in my post and said I agree with you about inflation. Increased production costs in the form of labor and supplies are a big portion of increased fuel costs. I have a young 20 something nephew who in the oil field business in Wyoming. He is being moved all the time to Colorado and west Texas. Of course his wife doesn’t like that, but Wyoming oil is less plentiful and more expensive to produce than the areas he’s traveling to. Companies are having to pay very high salaries to keep skilled people in the oil field industry. It sucks: I paid $175 for 35 gallons of diesel today.

 

[acethunder]

Psst. Your friendly neighbours to the north have lots of cheap oil to sell, if only there was an affordable way to get it to you…

 

[OzarkChris]

True, but this has little to do with US oil prices at this time. The decision by congress to subject the US to world oil prices by allowing exports is the biggest factor. And we don’t import refined fuel; we do export oil because the oil companies wanted the high value world market prices. Even now they have the capability of producing more but they are producing at the level that shareholders want. We are being hosed by the oil companies. And the war has piled on.

Without getting political on this matter, I'm curious how you can state some of this. You sound like you are on the "9,000 leases not used" side - this has been debunked numerous times. For the leases to be profitable two things have to happen. First, the oil companies HAVE to be able to run pipelines to actually use the oil - e.g., having a well that you can't get to is very hard to process from. Second, consider this, if you were about to drop a half to a million bucks on a well that may, or may not produce oil wouldn't you want some assurances from the current government that you wouldn't have to spend more in environmental bs in the "new" regulations than the oil is worth? There are many wells out there that, because of his new regulations, would cost more than what they would get from the oil.

 

[Hay Dude]

Psst. Your friendly neighbours to the north have lots of cheap oil to sell, if only there was an affordable way to get it to you…

REALLLLYYYY? Whats the affordable way to get it here called?

 

[Root Cause]

Without getting political on this matter, I'm curious how you can state some of this. You sound like you are on the "9,000 leases not used" side - this has been debunked numerous times. For the leases to be profitable two things have to happen. First, the oil companies HAVE to be able to run pipelines to actually use the oil - e.g., having a well that you can't get to is very hard to process from. Second, consider this, if you were about to drop a half to a million bucks on a well that may, or may not produce oil wouldn't you want some assurances from the current government that you wouldn't have to spend more in environmental bs in the "new" regulations than the oil is worth? There are many wells out there that, because of his new regulations, would cost more than what they would get from the oil.

The blue, co-op leader from W. Virginia jumped on JD and the board this morning. You can read it here to help you decide for yourself what the roadblocks are and who put them there. If they argue amongst themselves in public, it will put the focus on the real issues and help get them resolved.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watc...upport-oil-and-gas-development-and-production

a repost from another similar thread but applicable here.

 

[RancherGuy]

Have you folks seen the price for shipping tractors since the fuel increases? It's staggering.

OK! I think this topic ran a bit off course. Ya think?

If I go back to the topic title, I'm wondering if the OP is really trying to ship a tractor or equipment, or just wanted to talk about something else - hauling and fuel.

On the topic, I was going to say that if anyone is truly interested in hauling something, I was going to mention YesterdaysTractors.com. On the left side of the webpage is a topic titled "Hauling Schedule". Without cost, you can list what you need to have hauled. Many years ago I used this to haul a near-new tractor FEL very cheaply from Georgia to Texas. The guy had extra space on his dually-pulled flatbed, so he made a few extra bucks. I suggest writing a hauling contract that covers the basics to make sure the two of you are in agreement on details. Beforehand, be sure to have the facts he needs: width, height, length, weight.

 

[MHarryE]

REALLLLYYYY? Whats the affordable way to get it here called?

One is called oil trains - they come through our town frequently on their way from the Canadian oil fields. Problem is tar sands oil isn't cheap. It costs about $60 per barrel to separate it out from the oil sand. In 2020, WTI briefly dropped below $20 per barrel. Canadian tar sands oil was always produced at a loss in 2020. US investors quit investing in new oil wells because they (including me) want a good return on their investment and if the oil is sold at a lost, wait until it goes up. Oil trains through our little town slowed down in 2020 but they go through here now. But refineries are built to handle certain types of crude. West Canada crude has an API of 19 to 22. West Texas Intermediate has an API of 40. Refineries are designed for one type of crude and cannot easily convert. I understand Russian sour crude was imported to feed refineries designed to handle sour crude. But mainly people like me were looking for return on investment during 2020 and at $20 to $40 per barrel, it was time to back off on investment rather than throwing money down the hole so to speak.

 

[acethunder]

REALLLLYYYY? Whats the affordable way to get it here called?

The XL Keystone pipeline that was well on its way to being finished before it was halted. We already have other pipelines that currently go to the gulf coast to your refineries.

 

[Hay Dude]

The XL Keystone pipeline that was well on its way to being finished before it was halted. We already have other pipelines that currently go to the gulf coast to your refineries.

I know, I was being facetious.
I get angry about the KXL pipeline being cancelled. I also know trains are the big guys favorite toy.