Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ.

   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #21  
Every time I saw a customer's pickup come in our shop with loose heavy stuff in the bed I pictured them as projectiles in an accident. People use unsecured railroad ties, train rail sections, loose concrete blocks, etc. For me it's a habit that anything heavy gets tied down or doesn't go in the bed. Enough stuff in an accident can hurt you without it being something of yours.
Along this line also......for many years I've tried to tell dump truck/trailer drivers to not have all kinds of lose, heavy stuff all over in their cabs, when you are operating a truck that has a risk off rollover.
Guys that kept 25 ton jacks, big hammers, pry bars......all lose sitting in their cab.
Good way to get killed in an accident or rollover.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #23  
How difficult is it to separate these straps after they are pulled tight?
The few times I've done it, I was surprised how easily they come apart. Just push them together. I was sure they'd be eternally knotted together, but they weren't.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #24  
How difficult is it to separate these straps after they are pulled tight?
Mind boggling simple and easy. Push the loops apart. Nothing to it. I've used this method dozens of times. I always have to think about it for a couple seconds to get them intertwined properly. And I always smile and chuckle when I take them apart. :)
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #25  
I watched an SUV roll off a highway in front of us, once at speed. It rolled two times. It ended up upside down. We rushed to give assistance, and the entire interior of that SUV was a mess. It was a Dad and two children with all their mountain bikes, and camping gear. Every thing had come apart, and the interior was splashed with the soda drinks they had, had in paper cups. The gas tank was ruptured and leaking in the upside down vehicle. So get people out was a priority. As one of the first to the scene, I found a boy in the back that had a mountain bike under him. He was being held up side down by the straps. Took the bike out and threw it away. Asked him "Are you hurt and can you move everything in your body; neck, arms, legs." He tested this, and said, "Yes, I feel okay." I released the belt holding him up to fall in to my hands and then pulled him out. Same time other people were pulling others out of the vehicle, cause everyone stopped, off the road, to give assistance at the same time with no hesitation. This was a remote area in Oregon. It took three hours to get an EMT there. The Dad was very confused. We had to get him to lay down so we could check him out for a head injury and talk him down. The other older boy, seemed to be entirely okay in the passenger seat. He was a pain in the ass to everyone else, as he was saying its all okay, and we helper people should just leave. My boy, rescued, had a big knock to the head, possibly by the mountain bikes. The RV people also stopped, and provided ICE packs to put on his head bump that was forming. When the EMTs finally arrived they said this was good what we had done.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #26  
Blankets over snatch straps (static or kinetic) IN- EFFECTIVE at reducing the trajectory of a snapped line.

Several videos on the net to demonstrate.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #28  
Every time I saw a customer's pickup come in our shop with loose heavy stuff in the bed I pictured them as projectiles in an accident. People use unsecured railroad ties, train rail sections, loose concrete blocks, etc. For me it's a habit that anything heavy gets tied down or doesn't go in the bed. Enough stuff in an accident can hurt you without it being something of yours.
The safety director who stopped by our shop for our yearly audit told me about an accident her husband was involved in.

A lady ran a light and hit the directors husband. The ladies' purse was sitting in the back seat when the impact happened. Purse busted out the window in her car and was found 100' away

First thing I asked was if the women had a brick in her purse.

Director said she asked the same thing

Come to find out, the purse just contained the usual hodge podge of stuff in it that most women carry.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #30  
Along this line also......for many years I've tried to tell dump truck/trailer drivers to not have all kinds of lose, heavy stuff all over in their cabs, when you are operating a truck that has a risk off rollover.
Guys that kept 25 ton jacks, big hammers, pry bars......all lose sitting in their cab.
Good way to get killed in an accident or rollover.
Doesn’t have be heavy, or even metal… one fatality In a company I worked with involved an 18” long, plastic “broom handle” being carried in the cab… concrete mixer rolled on its side, the plastic handle ended up in the drivers head… sad…

Nothing‘s loose in my cab…
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #31  
How do you suggest attaching the loop end of a strap to the vehicles without a "hook"?
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #32  
How do you suggest attaching the loop end of a strap to the vehicles without a "hook"?
My tow strap has a loop on each end. Say the vehicle I’m pulling out has a tow hook. I pass one end through the loop and tow hook and pull it all the way through itself. Then hook it to the ball inserted into my trailer hitch.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #33  
…then hook it to the ball inserted into my trailer hitch.

You may want to reconsider your method of attachment… the video in the OP shows many preferred ways of attaching to a tow vehicle… video above shows what could happen if attaching to a tow ball…
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #34  
Yes I know, I actually watched the video. I use a solid draw bar, not a hollow one and very heavy 2 5/16” ball, but still not the best. It’s probably been 10 years I pulled someone out of the mud and they weren’t stuck very bad.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #35  
Along this line also......for many years I've tried to tell dump truck/trailer drivers to not have all kinds of lose, heavy stuff all over in their cabs, when you are operating a truck that has a risk off rollover.
Guys that kept 25 ton jacks, big hammers, pry bars......all lose sitting in their cab.
Good way to get killed in an accident or rollover.
It was common in our company to carry a 20' 5/8s chain in the cab. I didn't like that at all. When they started stocking heavy duty 6" straps the chain went bye-bye. Getting stuck with a dump truck is about as common as getting stuck off-road, probably even more so.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #36  
How do you suggest attaching the loop end of a strap to the vehicles without a "hook"?
Pull the hitch / shank out of the vehicle, push the strap loop inside the receiver tube and use the hitch retainer pin through the strap loop.

Never hook a strap over the ball as a rule
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #37  
Pull the hitch / shank out of the vehicle, push the strap loop inside the receiver tube and use the hitch retainer pin through the strap loop.

Never hook a strap over the ball as a rule
The video that started this thread was actually very good. The last point in the video was addressing why using the hitch pin in this fashion is a bad idea. The pins are designed for very high shear strength, but you are using it for bending strength and it will fail. Yes, this is safer than the trailer ball, but not strong enough for that recovery.

To all the people in this thread that say, "I wonder if xxx would be strong enough". If a part doesn't have a breaking strength stamped on the side, then it isn't strong enough.
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #38  
Here's a pic of connecting two looped ropes/straps without iron.

View attachment 785174
I don't recommend doing that when you're going to put a real load on it, they tie a nice tight square knot that usually takes a knife to get loose. If you bundle a jacket or chunk of wood inbetween the loops you keep them from binding...most of the time
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #39  
How do you suggest attaching the loop end of a strap to the vehicles without a "hook"?
You use what is called a soft shackle:

Soft Shackle.jpg


The soft shackle can be placed around many different frame shapes under the vehicle, its a pretty clever idea.

This Youtube channel channel uses them almost all the time:

https://www.youtube.com/@MattsOffRoadRecovery/featured
 
   / Sad and Tragic Recovery Accident in AZ. #40  
"but I have always felt safer with chains."........You're kidding...Right?
 

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