Massey Ferguson 4608 Lethal defects

[PatrickS2222]

Haven't heard "Boo" from him, so one can presume he wants to be left to his own devices. Has anyone else heard any updates?
I can't help but wonder if he's making it difficult for MF to help him - our local Dealer is great to me when I need the smallest part, or a heap of advice on where to get something I need quickly. I also wonder if they are following his story. I still hope they fix it for him though.

 

[Devi8]

check youtube he is always ranting on there Attitude Adjuster
- YouTube

 

[Fergie4608]

Sorry that I have not been in for so long but there has been allot happening but also nothing, I will try to explain as much as I can in the future.
The short and the long of it is the Tractor is still at the dealer for the 6th week, they can't fix the steering and I need to get a solicitor to take action from here, as Agco Drag out a product that has been unsafe from the first day it was delivered, there are many video's on the specific defects and Agco still don't fix the steering because I believe they cannot get it to work.
The Most important thing to take away is that once you have purchased a product from Agco you are then on your own and they won't make it safe, the dates that they became aware of these lethal defects and the time frames that no action was taken, also look at how long ago it was that WHS Qld deemed this tractor unsafe and cannot be used on our Farm and still its not fixed or safe. Don't by Agco, Massey Ferguson or anything from *REDACTED*.

Yours Truly

Garry

 

[Fergie4608]

Agco has placed my life in Danger for 24 months with this lethally defective Tractor and also it's not fit for Function, the Steering has not worked for the whole time, they were given written notice on the 20th of December 2016 that the Steering has always just disappeared at all sorts of random times and in my case no action was taken until 23 months after purchase even though after the date above it was in writting and no action at all was taken, SO if your like me and *REDACTED* Salesman who was told from the next morning about the Steering and Shuttle, the Loader and other problems, Now apparently has amnesia, but the Amount of emails from 14 months does not truly let them run away from the Facts that nothing was done in those times, Their Failures of Duty of Care obligations is staggering, placing my life and my Sons life in gross danger, the Damage caused to my Tractor because of their Negligence in affecting repairs is laid out in Letters to them that they never responded to, I have written to Agco, Australia, Agco Global, Massey Ferguson Australia and never have I had a response to any of these seriously lethal defects.
At 16 months the Tractor was returned to me after the splitting of the Tractor to finally attend to the Massively Aggressively Savage shuttle, it was returned with Massive Binding in it, then at 18 months it blew the Front diff, and again returned with the massive binding, then I was forced to call in Work Place Health and Safety Queensland and that was late June 2017 and they deemed the Tractor that unsafe that it had to be removed from work on our Farm.

It is important to understand that a Farm is a work place and equipment this unsafe cannot be used on the Farm, I can not then sell it until its made safe, so months and months of trying to get Agco to take action to fix this Steering, the Binding the Loader, only to find that they upgraded the steering with a super sized upgraded cylinder, and it still cannot work the front wheels on a dead flat floor.

The Binding went from no clue at all to its a known defect in this Series of Tractor, after they left me for 7 months with it and no action to fix it until 22 months.

SO there is the updates, I went quiet with this to try to allow them to fix it and see what would happen, but this is what has happened so far and its all dated, SO now our only action available is to take it to a solicitor.
But you cannot take equipment back like this that is unsafe or as I said you will be liable for anything that happens.


Yours Truly

Garry

 

[Fergie4608]

So this is what owning a Agco Product has been like for my Family and Myself, the dangers and lethal nature are so well documented and laid out.


Yours Truly

Garry

 

[jeepcj7]

I understand the fellow is frustrated - but his objective seems to have switched from asking for help to swaying others to not purchase anything from the manufacturer. At the end of the day all tractors produced in this class are basically equal in design and quality and there is always going to be a few customers who will not be satisfied regardless of brand (Red, Green, Blue or Orange) - just ask your local dealer if there is a customer he wished he never sold a product to. I recall a story of one dealer telling his employees that if anyone in his store sold (name of a difficult customer) another piece of equipment they would be fired. Kind of surprised the administrator has left this thread on here for so long.

 

[JWR]

Yep, it seems there is no new information, no fresh puzzles and nothing for us observers to figure out. Other than being interested in the final ending it is a dead horse for the rest of us.

 

[jason72]

hi all
I have a friend who is a 70 yr old tractor loving person she bought a DL95 tractor 2yrs ago and moves just dirt in her big yard,well the other day the arm that goes to the bucket busted
now I am a certified welder and can fix this issue but she has called her dealer and they have basicly pushed her away telling her that the warranty is up and not covered
well I inspected this break and from my experience this is a manufacture defect issue and should be coverd it is apparent to me that the weld did not penetrate the steel
so my question is doesn't the warranty go beyond to fix this issue.
THANKS FOR ANY HELP

 

[Phillip w]

hi all
I have a friend who is a 70 yr old tractor loving person she bought a DL95 tractor 2yrs ago and moves just dirt in her big yard,well the other day the arm that goes to the bucket busted
now I am a certified welder and can fix this issue but she has called her dealer and they have basicly pushed her away telling her that the warranty is up and not covered
well I inspected this break and from my experience this is a manufacture defect issue and should be coverd it is apparent to me that the weld did not penetrate the steel
so my question is doesn't the warranty go beyond to fix this issue.
THANKS FOR ANY HELP

You are now joining the "agco club". Their products fall apart and agco wont stand behind their product. I have been accused of agco bashing, but it is what it is. Take your money, when it breaks they gouge on parts and labor and it breaks again and the wont stand behind the repairs. There was a guy on here last summer i believe and he had same problem as you dont know if agco stood behind his tractor or not. Lets just say agco has terrible customer service and warranty. Their warranty program is how can we wiggle out of this issue. Also their employee relations also stink.

 

[JWR]

Jason, Phillip W has been accused of AGCO bashing as he says. That is all he does. If you wish to get involved, find out from the lady when her guarantee ran out and have your own talk with the dealer. As certified welder you can probably show the dealer where it was in fact a defect. Regional service reps mediate such issues and you can ask them to make the judgement. The worst they can do is say no. Again, only if you wish to get involved. Best of luck with it.

 

[TSO]

The DL95 loader is made by a 3rd party company, Quicke. Quicke makes loaders for alot of different manufacturers. Massey/AGCO, as well as practically every other brand, warranties their loaders for 1 year.

Perhaps she would have better luck trying to contact Quicke to see if they would help her out.

And yes... Philip is an AGCO basher.

 

[Phillip w]

The DL95 loader is made by a 3rd party company, Quicke. Quicke makes loaders for alot of different manufacturers. Massey/AGCO, as well as practically every other brand, warranties their loaders for 1 year.

Perhaps she would have better luck trying to contact Quicke to see if they would help her out.

And yes... Philip is an AGCO basher.

Say as you will. About a month ago we got into it over loaders. Not just mf loaders, but modern loaders in general. My mf loader has issues, the loaders on a case ih look pretty flimsy, guy broke his loader last summer etc. I'm a results oriented guy. These are not the results i want. It is what is. Sorry to upset apple cart. Whether it is a design flaw, material issue, or poor workmanship, loader failure is loader failure.

 

[TSO]

Say as you will. About a month ago we got into it over loaders. Not just mf loaders, but modern loaders in general. My mf loader has issues, the loaders on a case ih look pretty flimsy, guy broke his loader last summer etc. I'm a results oriented guy. These are not the results i want. It is what is. Sorry to upset apple cart. Whether it is a design flaw, material issue, or poor workmanship, loader failure is loader failure.

I know you're not the most "observant" fellow around here, and sometimes you struggle with basic reading comprehension... But this isn't a thread that needs your ramblings about how great your old tractors and loaders are.

If you've got nothing meaningful to offer a thread, the entire forum would benefit from you not offering at all.

You've got tractor experience... Offer something valuable instead of wasting everyone's time with nonsense.

Please

 

[Phillip w]

I know you're not the most "observant" fellow around here, and sometimes you struggle with basic reading comprehension... But this isn't a thread that needs your ramblings about how great your old tractors and loaders are.

If you've got nothing meaningful to offer a thread, the entire forum would benefit from you not offering at all.

You've got tractor experience... Offer something valuable instead of wasting everyone's time with nonsense.

Please

Is it Nonsense??? I foreshadowed this situation what a month ago??? Now here is a loader failure and the manufacture is trying to offer their usual bs. Yes people need to know the experiences of tractor owners. Sorry your an agco kool aid drinker and it happened to one of your darling mf. People need to be aware of this type of stuff when considering a tractor purchase. So here is where this particular tractor/loader issue goes. Manufacturer wont stand behind it, no surprise ti me. The op can purchase a new loader with no real guarantee it wont happen again. The op can strip the paint in that area and try to weld it. Sounds like is a pretty good welder and may even do a better job welding it than the manufacturer. So if he successfully welds it he is going to prime and paint the area when he is done to protect it from the elements. Depending on the degree of paint sun bleaching, it maybe pretty hard to match the paint. This will leave the repaired area quite noticeable when you take a good look at the tractor. I really don't see any other options available for the op.

 

[TSO]

The warranty on the loader is 1 year. I think every tractor brand puts a 1 year warranty on their loaders. Most tractor brands source loaders from outside companies. Quicke is a huge company and makes loaders for many different tractor brands. Frustrating as it may be, when a warranty is expired, why does anyone expect that the company should fix it for free?

I've had 2 Massey (Iseki) tractors that have been flawless after being worked harder than most people work their machines. You've had one with problems. The same experiences (yours and mine) can and DO happen with EVERY BRAND.

You had a bad tractor. Hillary Clinton lost the election. Getting old sucks. These are all things that people need to get over. Especially you with your constant barrage against AGCO. Move on. Find another channel.

 

[Phillip w]

Reality is it is not only agco thati have a distaste for. Consider where i am located. Many many guys are out here making a living with their tractors. Many have thousands of dollars tied up in their tractor, some probably more that some of you have tied up in your house. The market is saturated with jd and case ih. Now when ever agco, kubota or who ever gets a chance to break into the market share like me and my mf or another guy with a kubota, the product performs poorly and further locks that company out. Agco had a windshield fall out of a combine in south central kansas and it resulted in a fatality. Who is going to buy that combine? A guy bought a kubota and broke a loader arm and shelled the 4 wheel drive. Who out here is going to go a Kubota? i have heard negative about new holland, but really don't know. There is a guy that has one about 12 or 15 miles from here and don't know how he is getting along. I got a friend that run a tractor repair and according to him jd is trying to lock out the small time repair shop. Case ih tractors look a little flimsey to me. Kioti? Don't know anyone that has one, but i'm skeptical. From what i've heard mahindra pretty over rated. So, when it comes to tractors, their is no good choices. But i to say know what i expect when it comes to customer service and standing behind their product. My wifes suv has been a decent little car. We have had a couple of issues and the dealer took care of everything. They even loaned us a car for the afternoon while the repaired and charged to warranty. We have had it about 18 months and the dealer calls us every 6 or 8 months or so and ask hows it going, hows the car doing and if we need anything to let them know. To bad they do not sell tractors. But it aint only agco but other companies as well. I guess when these companies can build a tractor that can stand up to ag life, i'll start seeing kubota, mf, kioti, mahindra etc out here in the farm belt. Until then we need results and you can not blame a guy for the brand they choose. I wish i would have dug a little deeper on agco and mf.

 

[countrybumpkin]

The DL95 loader is made by a 3rd party company, Quicke. Quicke makes loaders for alot of different manufacturers. Massey/AGCO, as well as practically every other brand, warranties their loaders for 1 year.

Perhaps she would have better luck trying to contact Quicke to see if they would help her out.

And yes... Philip is an AGCO basher.

Jason, Phillip W has been accused of AGCO bashing as he says. That is all he does. If you wish to get involved, find out from the lady when her guarantee ran out and have your own talk with the dealer. As certified welder you can probably show the dealer where it was in fact a defect. Regional service reps mediate such issues and you can ask them to make the judgement. The worst they can do is say no. Again, only if you wish to get involved. Best of luck with it.

These are your best corse of action if you want to help her out to see if you can get it replaced.

 

[Balmain]

Hope you all are still listening to us down under. As Fergie4608 tells only part of the amazing differences between how the USA is treated and the Australian hard working farmer who not only faces drought, Bush fire, storm & Flood, Corona 19 but let you the AGCO Massey Ferguson community will be my Judge. So those who are out there listen to the Nightmare experience from Mangrove Mt. N.S.W 1 hour North of Sydney our biggest Australian city.

I'll start by thanking Fergie4608 for his brave stance for what is right. Thank you Garry (the Attitude adjuster). All the Best mate!

Who am I :- I'm a nobody that bought a NEW 4608 (2015) in January 2016 as a end of year sale with a USA Loader DL260MSL (suggested as Re-barged Quickie) & Alo 185MP (480kg) 4 x 1 Bucket tractor with no alleged Chinese parts or components which were told to be of all USA tractor manufactured materials & parts that potentially were built in Japan.

What do I do for my community :- I save lives and property during the worst of the worst Bush fires in Australian history as a Mangrove Mt. Rural Bush Fire Volunteer of who leaves his property & animals & that of his family of six (6) with special needs children at a time of being under direct threat to be protected by other RFS volunteers whilst driving past his own property.

First questions to the Agco/ Massey community Forum is what is known about this set up :-
1) My Massey Ferguson 4608 was sold as a NEW 2015 (14 - 20 hours) with a DL260MSL with 4 x 1 Alo 185MP Bucket (430kg) The arms supports collapsed not once but twice under light work load, sub structure bolt snapped and were damaged, Hub seals leaked approximately every 70 hours. I was told that it was operator error, paint wear, and potentially long grass issues. The tractor was still in show room condition and only had light use and virtually no marks. The ALO manual was issued after damage was paid for personally along with a Quickie loader manual being provided. Other defects were numerous but lets start with the Arm & Bucket for comment.

2) Is there a requirement for a 4608 with a 926X arm & ALO 185MPU (290kg) to carry an extra 500kg counter weight Bucket in the Manual / Specifications to off set this combination. Yes, it may have been raised by AGCO MF addressed previously but lets ask why I'm experiencing a similar issue as Fergie4608 in Australia.

 

[aczlan]

Hope you all are still listening to us down under. As Fergie4608 tells only part of the amazing differences between how the USA is treated and the Australian hard working farmer who not only faces drought, Bush fire, storm & Flood, Corona 19 but let you the AGCO Massey Ferguson community will be my Judge. So those who are out there listen to the Nightmare experience from Mangrove Mt. N.S.W 1 hour North of Sydney our biggest Australian city.

I'll start by thanking Fergie4608 for his brave stance for what is right. Thank you Garry (the Attitude adjuster). All the Best mate!

Who am I :- I'm a nobody that bought a NEW 4608 (2015) in January 2016 as a end of year sale with a USA Loader DL260MSL (suggested as Re-barged Quickie) & Alo 185MP (480kg) 4 x 1 Bucket tractor with no alleged Chinese parts or components which were told to be of all USA tractor manufactured materials & parts that potentially were built in Japan.

What do I do for my community :- I save lives and property during the worst of the worst Bush fires in Australian history as a Mangrove Mt. Rural Bush Fire Volunteer of who leaves his property & animals & that of his family of six (6) with special needs children at a time of being under direct threat to be protected by other RFS volunteers whilst driving past his own property.

First questions to the Agco/ Massey community Forum is what is known about this set up :-
1) My Massey Ferguson 4608 was sold as a NEW 2015 (14 - 20 hours) with a DL260MSL with 4 x 1 Alo 185MP Bucket (430kg) The arms supports collapsed not once but twice under light work load, sub structure bolt snapped and were damaged, Hub seals leaked approximately every 70 hours. I was told that it was operator error, paint wear, and potentially long grass issues. The tractor was still in show room condition and only had light use and virtually no marks. The ALO manual was issued after damage was paid for personally along with a Quickie loader manual being provided. Other defects were numerous but lets start with the Arm & Bucket for comment.

2) Is there a requirement for a 4608 with a 926X arm & ALO 185MPU (290kg) to carry an extra 500kg counter weight Bucket in the Manual / Specifications to off set this combination. Yes, it may have been raised by AGCO MF addressed previously but lets ask why I'm experiencing a similar issue as Fergie4608 in Australia.

I'm somewhat confused as to what your exact issues are here, but having to have 500 kilos of counterweight on the back of the tractor sounds about right for a 40 to 50 horsepower tractor.
Not having enough counterweight can cause the front axle to be overloaded and leak or break. We had that at work with 90ish HP tractor.

As for loader bolts snapping or coming out that's been seen on numerous brands here when the bolts are not torqued properly when the loader was installed, or when they vibrated loose. That is why the manual says to check and make sure that they are tight every X hours. That can also cause the threaded holes in the casting to get chewed up and break.

Not sure what you are referring to as "the arms supports" which collapsed but if its part of the loader frame, that could have been related to the bolts backing out.

Aaron Z