Questions about 2013 Massey Ferguson 1533 Rear Remote install

[JWR]

Where is the brand and model number located on it. Everything the dealer sends me a diagram on it. It's the wrong part

I have no way of knowing but there must be a nameplate or sticker or some indication of the brand (and model surely) on the body of the loader valve.

 

[DarkBlack]

Are you talking about this plug? Thus picture is from the top side of the last picture you posted.

That’s the sump port for the third hose. I couldn’t see it in your other photo. So you have all 3 ports identified

It’s not the hex plug that gets replaced with a diverter plug, that I mentioned though. That should be directly on top of the return port casting, pointing downward

 

[Casaid1]

It’s not the hex plug that gets replaced with a diverter plug, that I mentioned though. That should be directly on top of the return port casting, pointing dodownward

Here is what I believe you are talking about circled in red. It's a hex capped pointing downward. The white is the return line flush allen head port.

Do I need a diverter plug in it if I'm not using it in a "rear remotes" setup and just using it as a "power beyond" style?

 

[Casaid1]

OK so if I understand the diverter plugs purpose. The cap that is there should alow for flow to that plug. (And give me power beyond, or "constant pressure") If I use a diverter plug it would be for a "third function" and would shut off the use of 1 of the loader functions. And diverter it to the 3rd function until I swap it back.

 

[Casaid1]

I also have these 2 I could hook up and use as a "3rd function" control.

 

[DarkBlack]

Here is what I believe you are talking about circled in red. It's a hex capped pointing downward. The white is the return line flush allen head port.

Do I need a diverter plug in it if I'm not using it in a "rear remotes" setup and just using it as a "power beyond" style?

That looks like the one

 

[DarkBlack]

OK so if I understand the diverter plugs purpose. The cap that is there should alow for flow to that plug. (And give me power beyond, or "constant pressure") If I use a diverter plug it would be for a "third function" and would shut off the use of 1 of the loader functions. And diverter it to the 3rd function until I swap it back.

As I previously mentioned, I don’t know how the machine would operate without it. I don’t recall its exact shape either, so I don’t know if it’s actually diverting return flow from passageways internally vertically or horizontally for some reason , or if it’s only for restricting flow. I doubt you can buy it, and I doubt anyone has a dimensional diagram of it either.

 

[Casaid1]

As I previously mentioned, I don’t know how the machine would operate without it. I don’t recall its exact shape either, so I don’t know if it’s actually diverting return flow from passageways internally vertically or horizontally for some reason , or if it’s only for restricting flow. I doubt you can buy it, and I doubt anyone has a dimensional diagram of it either.

Thanks again for all the information and help with this thread. I appreciate it.

 

[Casaid1]

Thank you everyone for your input, information and help throughout this thread. I understand there is alot of parts diagrams out there. But why are there so many instances where even the diagrams the dealership sends me are of the wrong parts? Is it a tractor thing? An older not on the assembly line tractor thing? MF thing? Do they just do like they used to with 70-80s jeeps and when one part runs out they just pull out whatever is laying around on the shelf?

It was easier for me to find what I needed to swap a 12V cummins, get an adapter for a ZF5 and swap it into an 08 F350 that originally have a 6.4 powerstroke, than it was/is to figure out how to install a power beyond on a 2013 tractor. (Technically I still haven't used it yet to make sure it works.) Haha this was so much more confusing than I thought it would be.

 

[RayIN]

OK so if I understand the diverter plugs purpose. The cap that is there should alow for flow to that plug. (And give me power beyond, or "constant pressure") If I use a diverter plug it would be for a "third function" and would shut off the use of 1 of the loader functions. And diverter it to the 3rd function until I swap it back.

Massey Ferguson 451 has a square steel plate behind the seat to which the valve body and 2 pressure and return hydraulic connections are mounted.
I'd expect any MF dealer can order the plate w/ fittings and valves. Personally I'd mount it somewhere else. Behind the seat makes it inconvenient for hooking up 3-pt implements.
You can see it in this picture if you blow it up,

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[DarkBlack]

Thanks again for all the information and help with this thread. I appreciate it.

Welcome.
One other tidbit of information, for you: With the power beyond kit Ive described to you, The pressure and return ports must always flow, with an attachment behind or not, otherwise the hydraulic system deadheads. You keep a short 1 foot long hose connected at the new back connectors, looping pressure and return, when nothing’s connected, and looping through your implement, when connected.
This would indicate ( to me at least) the diverter plug is restricting or totally blocking the normal internal flow path and forcing it to loop out back at your new hoses.
The sump return hose only gets connected and used, when you hook up your implement.

 

[Casaid1]

OK so. I apparently have 2 pressure ports on mine. Top and bottom are pressure out. Neither are returns. Both arrowed plugs are pressure

 

[Casaid1]

Isn't a sump line and a return line the same thing? Only difference is the return line feeds less used (returning pressure) to the sump and the sumps suction kills any pressure pushed in by the return line?

 

[Casaid1]

Well. Got everything together and tried it out and the control on the log splitter would lift the 3 point up until it was all the way up. Then it would allow the splitter to work. I just scrapped the whole idea and ran hoses from the pass side step quick disconnects, to the rear and have 2 female quick connects back there 1 for pressure one for return. Works fine and how it should. I'll just build a loader rest off the frame incase I need to use something in the rear while moving forward. Or I could just pony up and buy a 3rd function package off the internet.

 

[Casaid1]

I'm done not knowing exactly where each hydraulic line goes. Even wrote the corresponding joystick direction and color for each line in the manual.