RFID Ignition Lock Anyone?

[mikester]

Recently got a Kubota RTV-XG850 and discovered that the key is identical to my ZTR. Made me think about adding an RFID tag reader to lockout the key switch.

Does anyone here use a similar ignition lock setup?

 

[RjCorazza]

Geared more towards commercial machines, but Messicks just did an interesting video on a new GPS based device that is capable of preventing starting, locating the machine, Geo fencing, and maintenance tracking. I believe they mentioned rtv's but I could be wrong.
It was priced at around $600, and they implied that wiring harness availability for many more machines is on the horizon. I got turned off to the idea when he mentioned that eventually there will be a monthly subscription, and didn't know the amount.

 

[Zebrafive]

Is your worry theft? Or someone "joyriding" since they also have a key?

 

[crazyal]

For RFID to work well against theft it needs to be tied in with the CPU. Anything you install after the fact can be removed. You would have to add something that can't easily be removed or even seen otherwise.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Just noticed today that the Ford I am driving of a friend, is just telling me, the battery is low in the RFID transmitter for pushbutton start. Me, says. NO THANKS, just one more TRAP and annoyance!

 

[Oaktree]

Just noticed today that the Ford I am driving of a friend, is just telling me, the battery is low in the RFID transmitter for pushbutton start. Me, says. NO THANKS, just one more TRAP and annoyance!

I don't like the pushbutton start in cars/trucks either, but it seems to be here to stay. Only a matter of time before it becomes standard in off-road vehicles too.
My ATV has a chipped key, but it doesn't require a battery.

 

[SylvainG]

Recently got a Kubota RTV-XG850 and discovered that the key is identical to my ZTR. Made me think about adding an RFID tag reader to lockout the key switch.

Does anyone here use a similar ignition lock setup?

My two ATV bought in 2009 (Polaris 400HO and 800 EFI) share the same key. Dealer said 'he never seen that before'. It's useful since I can grab any of the two keys and start either one.

Just noticed today that the Ford I am driving of a friend, is just telling me, the battery is low in the RFID transmitter for pushbutton start. Me, says. NO THANKS, just one more TRAP and annoyance!

My car has a push start. Yes I do have to replace the battery but it lasts several years. I had it died on me once without noticing the low battery warning. Simply pop the hidden key from the FOB, insert it in the steering wheel and press the push start. Took me may be 10 seconds more than usual to start the car.

Added convenience of the transmitter is the auto lock of the doors as you leave and the unlock by just touching the inside of the door handle. These outweigh the 'trouble' of changing a battery every few years for me.

 

[sea2summit]

No I don't want it. If I could pull out 90% of the sensors and computer crap on my truck/tractor/SxS I would. Once I figured I could turn stuff off with Forscan I went crazy with my truck. Never been so happy as when I got that stupid backup sensor turned off permanently because half the time I have a trailer and if you don't disable it with Forscan every time you turn the key on it turns the alarm back on and you have to manually turn it off. Turned off a bunch of other bits and bobs to keep "pop ups" off the alert screen for sensors I will never replace anyway.

 

[RjCorazza]

GPOutdoors did an interesting YouTube video on push to start vehicles recently. His new truck was stolen out of his driveway by professionals who had it in shipping container ready to go overseas. Apparently they get within 300 feet of the folb and program another one... Then steal the vehicle when convenient.

 

[Diggin It]

The key (pun intended) is to do something nobody expects, or can see. Back in the 70s when cars were cars and not rolling computers with motors, we would do something simple like disrupt the 12V to the fuel pump. A 1/4" headphone jack mounted someplace convenient looked inconspicuous enough, but no one would suspect that the car wouldn't start without a headphone plug inserted, even if the plug was laying right there in the console or ashtray (remember those?).

We might have done the same thing with a magnetic door contact for alarms. The magnet could be stored right there on the dash (when they were still metal). Move it two inches to the side to engage or disengage the magnetic switch.

If a scumbag knew it was there, they could bypass it easily enough, but they don't want to spend time looking around for oddball things like that.

I'm not sure how the systems are wired on gasoline, propane or battery ATVs, but there may be a similar simple point where 12v could be disrupted. For a diesel, you might be able to rig something with the fuel shutoff solenoid.

 

[mikester]

I'm more interested in the battery free RFID fobs - similar to clothing tags. Hide the RFID sensor coil behind the dash near the key switch.

I know there is no such thing as theft proof. I believe in "locks are there to keep honest people honest". The idea is to take the machine out of the low hanging fruit category.

 

[Diggin It]

I'm more interested in the battery free RFID fobs - similar to clothing tags. Hide the RFID sensor coil behind the dash near the key switch.

Problem is those tend to be momentary. They might be used to activate a door opener for example. You would need another holding relay to keep the ignition active while the vehicle is running.

The old school things I used to do are either on or off, full time.

 

[mikester]

I'd expect a proximity circuit that occasionally polls for the fob or only requires the fob to start the engine, not a latching relay based on the fob being continuously present. Kinda like my prius...if I forget to hit the off switch I can walk away with the keys and somebody can drive away in my car!

 

[Diggin It]

While the old school devices like the phone plug would have to be deactivated manually (plug removed), there are simple ways to use a latching relay type system.

A door/gate entry type FOB reader could pull a relay which is wired to latch. Latch power would need to be from a point in the vehicle that only has poweer when the key is on. That relay would release when the vehicle ignition is turned off.

Key On >> FOB detect/latch >> key to start. Vehicle would run as long as the relay is latched. When you park and leave the vehicle, turning the key off drops power to the latching relay.

Something as simple as this would work:

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That gives you the controller and keypad all in one unit, plus the FOBs. All you'd need to add would be the relay and those are easy to find and inexpensive.

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[Frankenkubota]

I just wish they would chip me! Like a Dog! I would love to be able to walk up to something, anything and not have to go thru all the security BS.

I know someone would immediately hack it but....wouldn't it be nice?

I also wish they could figure out away to insert my cell phone under my skin so i'm not always grabbing for it! It's always in the way but never convenient!

 

[dlctcg]

Couldn't you just use one of the premade kits out there... this is just one of them but there all over amazon, eBay, etc... Just a thought...

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