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[wedgeheaded]

I'm just chassing rabbits here but, I've seen several post about FELs. Anybody ever build one for the rear? I'm thinking thinking completely outside the box on this but I can see it working and being handy. Any thoughts?

 

[sandman2234]

Havinf forks on the rear, or a pond scoop, or a forklift mast is nothing new, but to do all ofit in one might be interesting. David from jax

 

[Johndeere3720]

I have seen pic's of REL's before. If you mounted it on the 3PH then you could just build a bucket that attaches to the lower links and a hydraulic top link for tilt, curl, and dump. That would work just fine. If you do build it, make sure to get some pictures of it.:thumbsup:

 

[MarkV]

Why? If the idea is to use an existing 3pt hitch then buy a pond scoop. If you have to create a hydraulic system then put it up front where you can see what you are doing. Thats just me though.

MarkV

 

[Iplayfarmer]

I've never done it, but I've seen a few. None seemed to be a viable alternative to the FEL. They all seemed clunky. Either they wouldn't lift high enough or wouldn't dump far enough, or some combination of drawbacks.

I'm with Johndeere3720: if you do build it, post progress so we can learn along with you.

 

[Taylortractornut]

Years ago at the landfill I work at I wanted a way to load sand and mulch into my dump truck. I didnt want to haul my tl here each time when I needed to have it here. I built a loader like the Cadplans loader by chance. I didnt know they had a plan for a rear loader that worke similar. I made a loader arm and post out of 4x4 bu 1/4 tube. Then took an old Dearborn loader bucket from an 8N tractor. I didnt have but one circuit at the time so the bucket was left trip operated. It worked fairly well, kinda slow but this was on the big old 4000 Ford at work. I used it for a few years before it wore out. To work it I would back towards the pile and drop the hitch. When the bucket filled I raised the bucket and when I got to the truck I would raise it all the way up then use the remote valve to run the loader ram. I think I got about 7 feet of lift from it.

I used it quite a bit finally warping the loader bucket mounts. I got my skid loaders and now I leave one at work and retired it. I still have most of it around the shop, I want to build a a grapple for the post and make it work like a dual arch grapple on a skidder for putting logs on my smaller trailer. I can mock it all up for yall to see it if you want.
Europe has alot of these loader in production for smaller tractors.

 

[shinnlinger]

I have always thought a larger FEL mounted on a smaller 2 wheel drive tractor with reversed controls and a flipped transmission would be a sweet loader in confined spaces.

 

[Taylortractornut]

They were quite popular in the 50's and 60's for loader applications. Tractomive and Henry My loaders like that for Allis Chalmers that eventually made Their construction line. Ih had a reverser on some of there tractors so that they could run backwards for running a cotton picker set up. A few of them here had loaders monted on them and they did really well in the time before FWD tractors and power steering. Some tractors even had a provision for the ring gear to be flipped over to make the tractor run backward all the time.

ytmag.com has some of these tractors on pictures setup like this. One locally was a 140 IH power unit with tricycle setup with the ring gear reversed. It was called a Honey Bee and was used in cotton gins and fertilizer dealers to load with in tight spots.

 

[Renze]

I welded a bucket for my neighbours rear end loader, which he got for a bottle of booz, yesterday. It came with a bent and rotten muck fork, but he has more use for a bucket.

His model was a fixed one, not very practical as the weight is shifted way behind his Kioti CK20 but the lift height is still limited: when he uses his hydraulic top link, he'd pull the top link against the fuel tank behind the seat and still have only 5 to 6 feet of lift.

Next to the fixed type i worked on yesterday, there are two more common types in Holland:
http://www.wifo.nl/images/Bak balk.jpg

If you make one, the upper type is the easiest, requiring no external spools: You dont use a top link at all, but attach the boom to the top link bracket on the tractor. On the lower link arms, a yoke is attached that pivots on the main boom and pushes it up, thereby creating enough lift height to load a hobby sized manure spreader.
The other type requires an external spool, and shifts the weight of the load even further back and is just awkward in confined spaces.

I am also thinking of flipping the diff in a 50hp 2wd and installing my front loader over the rear axle. havent made up my mind yet.

 

[enew]

Oliver had a loader that could be used both front and back and went overhead of the operator. I have seen pics but not alot of info on this setup.
Eric

 

[Renze]

Oliver had a loader that could be used both front and back and went overhead of the operator. I have seen pics but not alot of info on this setup.
Eric

http://www.bouwmachineforum.nl/forum/download/file.php?id=70160
More overhead loaders: it was hard to get in the seat, but saved a lot of turning around in loading cycles. Dumping with your head turned over your shoulder, didnt keep up into the 70's though.. Its based on a Fordson Major skid unit

 

[Iplayfarmer]

http://www.bouwmachineforum.nl/forum/download/file.php?id=70160
More overhead loaders: it was hard to get in the seat, but saved a lot of turning around in loading cycles. Dumping with your head turned over your shoulder, didnt keep up into the 70's though.. Its based on a Fordson Major skid unit

I had to stare at that machine for a few minutes before I figured out what I was looking at. I thought it was an optical illusion. That loader is out front like it's "supposed" to be, but the cutting surface is obviously up, and those brackets wouldn't let it go any further down.

Now I get how it works. That unit would certainly save a lot of turning around.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

There was a company in the us producing them a few years ago. It was good for tractors without power steering.

 

[Renze]

Iplayfarmer, thats at the open days of the company i work, taken a few months before i joined the company. they built frontloaders on Fordsons since 1947 and started to make the early version of this overhead loader in the mid 1950's. The other machine against it (the other half of the "entrance arch") is a recent articulated loader.
This overhead concept came to its best effect on a tracked tractor, they built 40 of them on Fiat tracked tractors for the Dutch state to clear debris from war damage. that was in 1954 so some cities had the rubbish lying around for at least 9 years after the war...

 

[NewportNic]

I always thought that this was a neat idea...

Ford/NH Bi-Directionals work this way but too much HP for me.

 

[CWL]

Many years ago there was a rear loader with a trip bucket that was designed for use on the ford 2n,9n,8n tractors. It used the 3-point for the lift and I think the lift height was around six feet.

 

[pat32rf]

I have a neighbour that still uses one of those on his 9n to do his horse manure....Not very quick but it beats a shovel/fork....

 

[Taylortractornut]

I have the majority of a Dearborn loader for an 8n. its a goodfinger pincher made from flat iron

 

[nwbearcat]

already done. Gnuse Mfg. Inc.

 

[dmay]

I'm just chassing rabbits here but, I've seen several post about FELs. Anybody ever build one for the rear? I'm thinking thinking completely outside the box on this but I can see it working and being handy. Any thoughts?

Agkrane is quite unique and reasonably priced.