PTO tiller advice.

/ PTO tiller advice. #21  
/ PTO tiller advice. #22  
Good discussion here: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/234516-king-kutter-vs-chinese-tillers-2.html



I just checked out Farm King's site. I don't know where it is made, but it looks like a good unit. -Chain drive I think.

Here is their manual: Request Rejected (just click on request rejected- pdf file- I've trained pdf to ask me before they auto link!)

Their manual does not contain the usual translation errors that chinese made products have. So far so good.!

Good luck!

farm-king is division of Buhler industries. They are based in Manitoba.

Not sure where they make the stuff. Their site lists two brands: farm king and versatile.
The versatile site is done in English and Russian (not sure what that means, good or bad).

Farm king tiller seems well made. Gearbox is (on mine) sourced from Italy.

I guess in 2007 things changed:

Buhler Industries Inc. (TSX: BUI) is headquartered in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Established in 1932 as an agricultural equipment manufacturer, the original company was purchased by John Buhler in 1969. Through steady expansion, new products and acquisitions, the company has experienced progress and steady growth.

Over the years, many brands have joined Buhler Industries: Farm King, Allied, Inland and Versatile. Today Buhler Industries operates several modern manufacturing plants and distribution centers. Factories in Morden and Winnipeg, MB, Salem, SD, Willmar, MN and Fargo, ND, build tractors, front-end loaders, augers, compact implements and more. Buhler Industries maintains several well-stocked parts warehouses.

In 2007, Combine Factory Rostselmash Ltd, a major combine manufacturer located in Rostov-on-Don, Russia, acquired 80% of the common shares of Buhler Industries. With additional investment in engineering, research and development and production, the company is moving forward. The dealer / distribution network in North America remains unchanged, but the Rostselmash network of more than 200 dealers in Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan now has access to the products built by Buhler Industries.

Buhler Industries remains committed to continuous product improvement and incorporating new value-added features. That tradition of excellence will continue well into the future.
 
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/ PTO tiller advice. #23  
You guys making broad statements, like "stay away from Chinese stuff", are clearly living in yesterday's news.
Almost all of the biggest, and most successful companies have their products made in China as well as other countries. It's much, much more important the quality company, than the country of origin. That is unless your target is to specifically buy from a particular country.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #24  
You guys making broad statements, like "stay away from Chinese stuff", are clearly living in yesterday's news.
Almost all of the biggest, and most successful companies have their products made in China as well as other countries. It's much, much more important the quality company, than the country of origin. That is unless your target is to specifically buy from a particular country.

Very true. But what is also true: I have not seen one quality product made in China. Maybe you have.

All I've seen from China can only be described as junk. Too broad stroke for you? well, that was my experience.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #25  
Quick example for you, then I'm done. Take it for what you want:

Chainsaws:
Husqvarna, and Stihl have factories in China.
Poulan brand has lately been made in the US.
 
/ PTO tiller advice.
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#26  
You bring up a very good point.

The O/P didn't disclose any details about WHAT he hopes to til.
If he wants to go into business tilling unknown lots that have been private backyard land fills - that is ONE thing, though using a tiller for the FIRST pass may be less than wise.
If he wants to do fields and food plots that have already been worked - quite another.

I have done a bit of both, as favors, not commercially.
I think the WORST things I have "discovered" just below the surface has been bicycles, they bend and wrap up into the tines - a B*tch to get out, sharp bits of rusty metal too.
Second is probably rocks that are JUST small enough to "swallow" but too big to "digest".

As I said, I don't til commercially, if I did I would probably run a plow through first, maybe a ripper.

So, lets have it Smok, wadda Ya gonna til ?
IOW will you NEED a light, medium or HD unit ?

In my OP i stated HD. I want it to hold up under all conditions . I am thinking along the same lines Sawyer Rob when he says in his reply to this thread that when someone mentions HD tiller it should hold up like the ones on his trailer that are used in the conditions that he mentions.

And yes i do feel VERY STRONGLY that American factory workers are intellectually superior and do have greater pride in their products.

As far as the substantial evidence on education goes i myself would not put much faith in what i read about that. After all there are no other Nations on earth that are any more powerful than the U.S. and you don't get a reputation like that from it being populated with a bunch of morons and fools living there. So yes in my opinion i would say U. S. factory workers are by FAR more intellectuall superior and have way greater pride in their products than the majority of the Western world. That is just my opinion as an American consumer who is tring to sort through all of this garbage that is being imported into the U. S. and passed off as American made products.

If what you are saying about where these products are being manufactured at does not make a difference and these products being imported into the U. S. are as good of quality as what was once produced here in America and all of these other countrys in the Western world are equal to or superior to U. S. factory workers. Then why don't they advertise where they are made rather than try to pass them off as being made in the U.S. ? like KK for example. They advertise it as being made in the U. S. but negelect to say that the gear box on it is made in china. The gear box on a tiller is a main component on a tiller. If i were a manufactuer and had such a great product to sale, I would want that point brought out by my sales department. But KK does not do that. I guess that is where part of their superior intellect comes into play. Make sure your sales department only mentions the good parts to promote sales, tell the consumer it is made in the U.S. but dont mention the china made gear box. I will give you credit for that, that is pretty smart saleing something by hiding the bad point of the product.

I hear now that the government does not even require it to be stamped where these products are manufactured at. In my opinion FWIW(for what it's worth) That is where our government has let America down. If someone has a product that is worth being sold at any market they should not have nothing to hide. By not discloseing where that product was made tells me they have something to hide about it. That is something that has come into play from lobbyist that represents more than likely the manufacturing companys.

If these factory workers in other countrys in the Western world are so prideful, why don't they display slogans on their products or at the very least the country that they were built in ? I will tell you why, it is just as someone mentioned. These big companys shop arround the glob for cheap labor, cheap materials to make cheap products and sale at premium prices. If you look on the side of a Kuhn product you will find a logo that says " 175 years excellance."

Kuhn use to be owned by just a couple of brothers and owned their own foundry. But eventually if it has not yet already happened someone will buy them out. Find cheap unskilled labor to manufacture the parts that goes in the construction of Kuhn and sale as many of Kuhn products as they can before word gets out that Kuhn has sold out like alot of other reputable companys have done before them.

And i think you can find out alot of valuble information on this sight. Just like the information Sawyer Rob has shared which i found to be very helpful. You just have to sift through it to find the information you are looking for. And that is a shame that todays market place has come to this. Exspecially here in the U. S. and using the global market as an excuse to allow this to take place.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #27  
You guys making broad statements, like "stay away from Chinese stuff", are clearly living in yesterday's news.

I didn't say "stay away from Chinese stuff", I said I wouldn't buy ANY tiller made in china! I was referring to HD tillers, but the truth is, I wouldn't buy any tiller made in china and I stand by it!

Here's ANOTHER case why... The Amish here use tillers for most of their tillage... One of the Amish retailers, speced out two HEAVY DUTY tillers and had them made in china. When delivered, they did look very HD! BUT, soon they had tine problems, so they cobbled it to take Howard tines! That fixed that, then the flanges started bending, so they had a welding shop make flange supports to fix that! Then they blew a gear in the "side gear drive" in one and the second one developed gear box problems!

This is where "I" get a call to come and till for them as they were waaaaay behind at that point with all the down time!! AND once again, my Howards baled someone out! lol

If I was to put a HD china tiller on my trailer, it wouldn't last one season!!

BTW, the Howard HA that I bought in 1985 is still on it's ALL original gear box, chain and gears in the chain case and EVERY bearing in the whole tiller!!

I've put a lot of tines on it and rebuilt the drive line slip clutch two times...and had the female end of the pto shaft split. That's it since 1985!! It's the most money making tool I've ever bought!

SR
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #28  
In my OP i stated HD. I want it to hold up under all conditions . I am thinking along the same lines Sawyer Rob when he says in his reply to this thread that when someone mentions HD tiller it should hold up like the ones on his trailer that are used in the conditions that he mentions.

And yes i do feel VERY STRONGLY that American factory workers are intellectually superior and do have greater pride in their products.

As far as the substantial evidence on education goes i myself would not put much faith in what i read about that. After all there are no other Nations on earth that are any more powerful than the U.S. and you don't get a reputation like that from it being populated with a bunch of morons and fools living there. So yes in my opinion i would say U. S. factory workers are by FAR more intellectuall superior and have way greater pride in their products than the majority of the Western world. That is just my opinion as an American consumer who is tring to sort through all of this garbage that is being imported into the U. S. and passed off as American made products.

If what you are saying about where these products are being manufactured at does not make a difference and these products being imported into the U. S. are as good of quality as what was once produced here in America and all of these other countrys in the Western world are equal to or superior to U. S. factory workers. Then why don't they advertise where they are made rather than try to pass them off as being made in the U.S. ? like KK for example. They advertise it as being made in the U. S. but negelect to say that the gear box on it is made in china. The gear box on a tiller is a main component on a tiller. If i were a manufactuer and had such a great product to sale, I would want that point brought out by my sales department. But KK does not do that. I guess that is where part of their superior intellect comes into play. Make sure your sales department only mentions the good parts to promote sales, tell the consumer it is made in the U.S. but dont mention the china made gear box. I will give you credit for that, that is pretty smart saleing something by hiding the bad point of the product.

I hear now that the government does not even require it to be stamped where these products are manufactured at. In my opinion FWIW(for what it's worth) That is where our government has let America down. If someone has a product that is worth being sold at any market they should not have nothing to hide. By not discloseing where that product was made tells me they have something to hide about it. That is something that has come into play from lobbyist that represents more than likely the manufacturing companys.

If these factory workers in other countrys in the Western world are so prideful, why don't they display slogans on their products or at the very least the country that they were built in ? I will tell you why, it is just as someone mentioned. These big companys shop arround the glob for cheap labor, cheap materials to make cheap products and sale at premium prices. If you look on the side of a Kuhn product you will find a logo that says " 175 years excellance."

Kuhn use to be owned by just a couple of brothers and owned their own foundry. But eventually if it has not yet already happened someone will buy them out. Find cheap unskilled labor to manufacture the parts that goes in the construction of Kuhn and sale as many of Kuhn products as they can before word gets out that Kuhn has sold out like alot of other reputable companys have done before them.

And i think you can find out alot of valuble information on this sight. Just like the information Sawyer Rob has shared which i found to be very helpful. You just have to sift through it to find the information you are looking for. And that is a shame that todays market place has come to this. Exspecially here in the U. S. and using the global market as an excuse to allow this to take place.

Wow,
I thought your original post was for real . That's a pretty bigoted post you just made. Probably hot even for the political forum.
 
/ PTO tiller advice.
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#29  
Wow,
I thought your original post was for real . That's a pretty bigoted post you just made. Probably hot even for the political forum.

You can take it however you would like but my OP is for real.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #30  
As I said, I don't til commercially, if I did I would probably run a plow through first, maybe a ripper.

OK, tell me how that would work??

A customer calls you and says he has 10 acres he wants tilled, that he just bought.....how much do you estimate it will cost and when can you come do it??

Now, what do you tell him??? first he has to get it plowed?? Ripped?? You are going to come look at it and GUESS what's in the ground??? Any of that and you just lost a pay day!!

What he wants to hear is, what it will cost and when you will be there!!! NOT a bunch of whining about your tiller!

I just decided to buy a GOOD tiller and till what ever comes along, because "that's" how you make money with a tiller!!

SR
 
/ PTO tiller advice.
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#31  
Sawyer Rob, I sent you a PM. If you get it send me one back. I would like to talk to you about your tillers.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #32  
Talking just about tilling. No need for anyone to get excited here. Everyone take a deep breath...
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #33  
Apple computers are all made in China. China sends us good stuff, and junk. The difficulty is never knowing which it is going to be. Look at the reviews on sites like Amazon- 80 will give it a 5 star, 20 will give it a 1-2 star. 20% crud- I find this is true for most everything I buy. I think the designs are good- but assembly and tolerances are not.
There is no feed back loop. A product made in China fails on first shot in the US. That data never gets back to the factory- and if it does- who cares what the idiot US does. -As someone said, US manufacturers that contract their production out to Asia, are frequently owned by a parent company who are there to make a profit on the name of their acquisition. They don't want to spend money to maintain the reputation- they are there to make what money they can before moving on. That is global capitalism.

Years ago I bought a stationary Grizzly sander. Good writeups, powerful and when I got it- the drums would not run true and it couldn't hold the sanding belt for more than a few passes. I still have it and I rarely use it. - a piece of floor decoration. It was Asian made.

Foreign made can work- but how do you predict? None of us has money to waste.

The tiller I bought last week is Chinese made. It looks similar to a king Kutter. The photos and reviews by someone on TBN who bought one 2 years ago are good. But time will tell. It is a gamble and I try to cut the odds in my favor. Not much else I can do.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #34  
I bought a Sicma Phoenix 74 inch tiller from everything attachments 3 years ago. I run a small produce business (www.nunamaker farms.com) and use the tiller heavily for ground prep, compost incorporation (250 cu yards of mushroom compost each year) and for cultivating. I use the plant a row skip a row technique so there is little hand cultivating. The tiller is tough, efficient and has not had any problems. It was the one they recommended at that time. It was a good buy and I have added an 84 inch finish mower of the same brand and source since then. Also a very good addition to my tractor equipment.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #37  
Smok - If you get time, check out the tillers made by Ansung (TerraForce brand). They make some very heavy duty gear driven units, and also economy units. I have the 74" JYR074 gear driven, and I can attest to how well made it is. It's built like a tank, with oil bath bearings at both ends of the tilling shaft.

Another place to check on what units work, is you local AGG rental place that rents farm equipment. They can quickly tell you what holds up,

BTW is 6' going to be wide enough for your tractor. You want the tilled width to be wider than your rear tire foot print.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #38  
BTW is 6' going to be wide enough for your tractor. You want the tilled width to be wider than your rear tire foot print.
I know that a tiller as wide as the tractors rear tread can leave a track free, pretty, tilled garden but does it really matter to the carrots and tomatoes? After all the first thing a gardener is going to do is make a bunch of human tracks in it while they plant the seeds.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #39  
OK, tell me how that would work??

A customer calls you and says he has 10 acres he wants tilled, that he just bought.....how much do you estimate it will cost and when can you come do it??

Now, what do you tell him??? first he has to get it plowed?? Ripped?? You are going to come look at it and GUESS what's in the ground??? Any of that and you just lost a pay day!!

What he wants to hear is, what it will cost and when you will be there!!! NOT a bunch of whining about your tiller!

I just decided to buy a GOOD tiller and till what ever comes along, because "that's" how you make money with a tiller!!

SR

Dunno, I'm not in a tilling business.
I suppose I would try to find out SOMETHING about the property, e.g. whether it had been "farmed" or was likely a dump for engine blocks.
The community gardens I have done have been a mixture, but I did run a sub-soiler through before tilling.
Even then I found rocks small enough to get in, but too big to get through - so they JAMMED UP.
OK, everything off, PTO in neutral, 6 ft bar and turn it over to get it out - DONE.
As I said, I haven't broken or bent tine on that KK tiller yet.

I think this thread has run its course as a bigoted rant against any product not produced 100% in USA and against ANYONE not of American origin.

I'm out of here.
 
/ PTO tiller advice. #40  
Hey Reg,

I found your post pretty amusing, considering the three tillers I mentioned and the two I recommended as the best for HD, NONE of them are made in the USA!! lol

SR
 
 

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