Probably not the best forum for this...

[/pine]

I have to strenuously disagree there. The FDA like all gov't agencies is paid too much by the companies they are supposed to regulate to find anything wrong with them. The same goes for our senators and reps. As long as the money flows they will never find anything wrong with Monsanto or other large corps

I truly did not post the original story link to start this type of debate or to stir any pots...

I just thought it was of concern that almost all of the foods the FDA tested showed the weed killer...

from the original link I cited:

The US Department of Agriculture was to start its own testing of foods for glyphosate residues in 2017 but dropped the plan.

The lack of government residue data comes as Monsanto attempts to bar evidence about glyphosate food residues from being introduced in court where the company is fighting off allegations its Roundup products cause cancer.

You may be right about the lobby influence : USDA Drops Plan to Test for Monsanto Weed Killer in Food

However:

The Monsanto Papers

 

[prichard]

I truly did not post the original story link to start this type of debate or to stir any pots...

I just thought it was of concern that almost all of the foods the FDA tested showed the weed killer...

from the original link I cited:

You may be right about the lobby influence : USDA Drops Plan to Test for Monsanto Weed Killer in Food

However:

The Monsanto Papers

Sorry, I should have not brought politics up.

 

[/pine]

Sorry, I should have not brought politics up.

Honestly I never saw this coming when I started the thread...it's not your fault and I should have realized it would lead to more than just being about round up showing up in general food testing...

I was really thinking "small picture" and my first concern was that so many of us use the product and it could actually leach into our home (kitchen) garden produce...

We should all at least be aware...!

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Post your proof that there has ever been a case of GMO causing harm ????

Ya'll read this. I haven't read it all yet, but even the title raises a question in my mind.

Confirmed: DNA From Genetically Modified Crops Can Be Transferred Into Humans Who Eat Them – Collective Evolution

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Sorry, I should have not brought politics up.

Round up! From the people who brought you Agent Orange and Dioxin!

 

[Dadnatron]

Ya'll read this. I haven't read it all yet, but even the title raises a question in my mind.

Confirmed: DNA From Genetically Modified Crops Can Be Transferred Into Humans Who Eat Them – Collective Evolution

This was also on the page you posted.

VERIFIED UFO FOOTAGE WITH TWO BEINGS INSIDE OF THE CRAFT: IN THE VIDEOGRAPHERS OWN WORDS

 

[tcreeley]

This may not be Roundup, but it is related-

Dark Side of the Perfectly Manicured American Lawn: Is It Giving You Cancer?
Lawn Fertilizer Dangers: Are They Giving You Cancer? | Reader's Digest

Weed killer faces lawsuit over cancer claims
Lawsuit against "Roundup" claims weed killer caused cancer - CBS News

And I like this:
Roundup: Quick Death for Weeds, Slow Death for You - The Healthy Home Economist


I am not a scientist or a farmer, but I was raised on a dairy far. I don't like the crap that is sold in stores for the most part. Home grown foods taste better - those grown without the pesticides, herbicides.

Since retirement, we grow a lot of our own and try to buy organic. Just read the label - who would want to eat the chemicals out of choice? - I like that the food companies have noticed that consumers want gmo free foods and are labeling it. It makes shopping easier.

I started baking my own bread to avoid the glyphosate in wheat products, as well as the excess sodium, using Bobs Red mill organic flour.

It is easy enough to be ill. Why add to it with chemical crap in the food? (And yes, stay away from the chinese garbage they are sending this way - labeled as organic and untested. (Just like the crappy California foods irrigated with fracking waste water- safe like ****!)

Just my thoughts.

And the eat healthy movement is spreading!

(The one I enjoy seeing is - gluten-free on things like fruit or ice cream!).

 

[M5farms]

This may not be Roundup, but it is related-

Dark Side of the Perfectly Manicured American Lawn: Is It Giving You Cancer?
Lawn Fertilizer Dangers: Are They Giving You Cancer? | Reader's Digest

Weed killer faces lawsuit over cancer claims
Lawsuit against "Roundup" claims weed killer caused cancer - CBS News

And I like this:
Roundup: Quick Death for Weeds, Slow Death for You - The Healthy Home Economist


I am not a scientist or a farmer, but I was raised on a dairy far. I don't like the crap that is sold in stores for the most part. Home grown foods taste better - those grown without the pesticides, herbicides.

Since retirement, we grow a lot of our own and try to buy organic. Just read the label - who would want to eat the chemicals out of choice? - I like that the food companies have noticed that consumers want gmo free foods and are labeling it. It makes shopping easier.

I started baking my own bread to avoid the glyphosate in wheat products, as well as the excess sodium, using Bobs Red mill organic flour.

It is easy enough to be ill. Why add to it with chemical crap in the food? (And yes, stay away from the chinese garbage they are sending this way - labeled as organic and untested. (Just like the crappy California foods irrigated with fracking waste water- safe like ****!)

Just my thoughts.

And the eat healthy movement is spreading!

(The one I enjoy seeing is - gluten-free on things like fruit or ice cream!).

there is not a single Acre of GMO wheat planted in the US . so wheat is not sprayed with Glyphospate. You can not believe everything put out on labels or propaganda . The manufactures have figured out if they print it on a label they can charge more for it because 99% of the population is ignorant.

 

[Dadnatron]

I am ALL for eating clean and healthy.

I am ALL for GMO labeling (not because I believe it is dangerous, but because I believe everyone should have an opportunity to make a informed choice in what they eat. And should they desire GMO-free food, I believe it is their right to choose it. And for those who do not have this desire, they should have the right to the food they choose.)

I DO NOT want chemicals in my food. But I also recognize, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, that I want affordable food which isn't rotten. An informed choice is important, but blanket laws are not.

HOWEVER, I am MOST for accuracy and data driven information. The BS put out there about Glyphosate is just that, thus far... BS. I don't want to eat it. I don't want to drink it. But I recognize its use in our modern agriculture. It has been around for almost 50years. In that time our life expectancy has increased from just shy of 71yo to current 78.6yo. I am NOT saying it is because of Roundup... I am saying it is at worst case IN SPITE OF Roundup.

I am always open to new information, however, that information needs to be accurate and honest. None of the information concerning Roundup posted in this thread thus far has lived up to the hype, when reading the background info. Roundup might turn out to be a problem for us... but thus far, the data does NOT support it being an issue. And we have been using it for almost 50 years now.

 

[M5farms]

This was also on the page you posted.

VERIFIED UFO FOOTAGE WITH TWO BEINGS INSIDE OF THE CRAFT: IN THE VIDEOGRAPHERS OWN WORDS

Well that settles it , UFOS are real. The internet said so ......

 

[aczlan]

I am not a scientist or a farmer, but I was raised on a dairy far. I don't like the crap that is sold in stores for the most part. Home grown foods taste better - those grown without the pesticides, herbicides.

Since retirement, we grow a lot of our own and try to buy organic. Just read the label - who would want to eat the chemicals out of choice? - I like that the food companies have noticed that consumers want gmo free foods and are labeling it. It makes shopping easier.

Just make sure you understand, that a label that says organic does not mean that it was not sprayed with chemicals or that it is higher quality than the non organic food.

I've seen the difference in organic and non-organic food and in many cases what is acceptable and brings the farmer a premium as organic food would be rejected if it was non organic food because of blemishes and rot and insect bites. It is also worth noting that there are numerous organic certified pesticides and other chemicals out there, they just cost more.

Aaron Z

 

[Ford850]

The original post reminds me of the story about coffee last month. This is my summary of it, as best I can remember... Years ago, some cancer institute added coffee to their list of carcinogens. So an activist group took on the coffee brewers in California fighting to have cancer warnings added to every cup of coffee sold. 6 or 8 years later (last month) some court in CA sided with this activist group and now its the law in CA all cups must have a carcinogen warning added. Funny thing is that the cancer institute had just removed coffee from their list of carcinogens after more research found no correlation.

 

[/pine]

The original post reminds me of the story about coffee last month. This is my summary of it, as best I can remember... Years ago, some cancer institute added coffee to their list of carcinogens. So an activist group took on the coffee brewers in California fighting to have cancer warnings added to every cup of coffee sold. 6 or 8 years later (last month) some court in CA sided with this activist group and now its the law in CA all cups must have a carcinogen warning added. Funny thing is that the cancer institute had just removed coffee from their list of carcinogens after more research found no correlation.

This makes a great point Ford...it's really all about time and the technology to say what may or may not be harmful...

...The crux of the subject is really about time and the agenda behind the research studies to realize what if any ill or beneficial effects there are...!

Like with so many other subjects...it simple to buy the opinions of even the most educated of "experts" and "PhD's etc's...

 

[Ford850]

This makes a great point Ford...it's really all about time and the technology to say what may or may not be harmful...

...The crux of the subject is really about time and the agenda behind the research studies to realize what if any ill or beneficial effects there are...!

Like with so many other subjects...it simple to buy the opinions of even the most educated of "experts" and "PhD's etc's...

I tend to read the studies, some of them are easy to see through, but I take note and store the info in the back of my mind to review as I come across other info. I don't buy into most studies on the surface, because it usually takes a lot of time and many studies to truly spot a trend. There's nothing wrong with all the reports, articles, etc when it comes to research, but I like to take them all into consideration and not buy into any single one of them alone.

 

[tcreeley]

there is not a single Acre of GMO wheat planted in the US . so wheat is not sprayed with Glyphospate. You can not believe everything put out on labels or propaganda . The manufactures have figured out if they print it on a label they can charge more for it because 99% of the population is ignorant.

Glyphosate is used as a desiccant to quickly dry the wheat. It is also used to kill potato plants just before harvest so that they don't have to wait for it to happen naturally. Glyphosate is used in many areas.
Why Is Glyphosate Sprayed on Crops Right Before Harvest? - EcoWatch

 

[M5farms]

Glyphosate is used as a desiccant to quickly dry the wheat. It is also used to kill potato plants just before harvest so that they don't have to wait for it to happen naturally. Glyphosate is used in many areas.
Why Is Glyphosate Sprayed on Crops Right Before Harvest? - EcoWatch

It is sprayed on less than a 3rd of wheat at a stage when the plant is already dying . I can post links too from unbiased sources . Do what you want but quit spewing misinformation. I have personally harvested 1000's of acres or wheat and oats and never once have have any of these fields seen a drop of GLY at any stage of production.

 

[tcreeley]

Just make sure you understand, that a label that says organic does not mean that it was not sprayed with chemicals or that it is higher quality than the non organic food.

I've seen the difference in organic and non-organic food and in many cases what is acceptable and brings the farmer a premium as organic food would be rejected if it was non organic food because of blemishes and rot and insect bites. It is also worth noting that there are numerous organic certified pesticides and other chemicals out there, they just cost more.

Aaron Z

My wife bought some organic carrots for the grandkid. I went to wash it to rinse off the chemical taste that is always there from pesticides not knowing they were organic. She said you don't have to. Grandkid was getting impatient (3). He grabbed one and started munching. So I tried one without washing it - no pesticide taste. I still think it is good to rinse vegetables - but I think I'll accept a few blemishes, and a shorter shelf life if it means no pesticides!

Fresh vegetables, fruit from organic sources is well worth it - no pesticides, waxes, etc.. I make my own cider from our unsprayed apples. I cut the worm holes out - and pulp and press. The cider is delicious. And there is no buzz taste of a preservative that would be there if I bought it in a grocery store + and no pesticide residue.

I like organic- it is akin to the food of my youth - when food was only available in season.

 

[M5farms]

another misconception is these publications group all chemicals as pesticides which is a trigger for fear because of propaganda . Herbicide and pesticide are 2 different things and most of these people that are writing and pushing the agenda think they are farmers because they have 10 rows of garden behind the house in a subdivision . I am all for growing what you want and doing your own thing but in a world of fake news and people trying to exploit hot buttons its a little tiresome when they don't know what the heck they are talking about

 

[tcreeley]

It is sprayed on less than a 3rd of wheat at a stage when the plant is already dying . I can post links too from unbiased sources . Do what you want but quit spewing misinformation. I have personally harvested 1000's of acres or wheat and oats and never once have have any of these fields seen a drop of GLY at any stage of production.

You posted before that glyphosate was never used in wheat crops - ie no gmo wheat. Now you say 1/3 of wheat is sprayed. - At one time, before glyphosate + Monsanto came along - no one used it. Now it is common.



"But spraying a mature grain or bean crop so close to harvest with a glyphosate-based herbicide results in much higher residues than traditional, spring or early summer applications. "
Glyphosate Use as Desiccant Doubles Human Contamination - Cornucopia Institute

---Glyphosate and metabolite residues concentrate in the liver and kidney, and both animal studies and human investigations have highlighted liver and/or kidney problems.

- Re living longer, we also have this - Sperm counts and health, and male fertility, have declined over the last two to three generations. Several cancers are becoming more common, and the frequency and severity of reproductive problems and birth defects are rising.


I haven't heard that going glyphosate free makes you ill!

Here is Bobs Red Mill on glyphosate:

https://www.bobsredmill.com/blog/healthy-living/glyphosate/

 

[M5farms]

You posted before that glyphosate was never used in wheat crops - ie no gmo wheat. Now you say 1/3 of wheat is sprayed. - At one time, before glyphosate + Monsanto came along - no one used it. Now it is common.



"But spraying a mature grain or bean crop so close to harvest with a glyphosate-based herbicide results in much higher residues than traditional, spring or early summer applications. "
Glyphosate Use as Desiccant Doubles Human Contamination - Cornucopia Institute

---Glyphosate and metabolite residues concentrate in the liver and kidney, and both animal studies and human investigations have highlighted liver and/or kidney problems.

- Re living longer, we also have this - Sperm counts and health, and male fertility, have declined over the last two to three generations. Several cancers are becoming more common, and the frequency and severity of reproductive problems and birth defects are rising.


I haven't heard that going glyphosate free makes you ill!

Here is Bobs Red Mill on glyphosate:

https://www.bobsredmill.com/blog/healthy-living/glyphosate/

There are no GMO wheat crops being used in the US thats a fact . If Gly was sprayed on wheat before seed head development it would kill it, I assumed you knew that . being your an expert at wheat production , If a 1/3 of farmers use it as a quick kill after the plant if fully mature and not growing It has no bearing on the wheat.