Pole Building -- Electrical Question

[eepete]

I cheated on the communication and video between my out buildings... I used fiber optics. Nonconductive.

What did you put in? Pointer to fiber and electronics would be great, tnx.

Pete

 

[dcyrilc]

What did you put in? Pointer to fiber and electronics would be great, tnx.

Pete

I'm using International Fiber Systems (IFS) VT1910/VR1910 video convertors with 2 way data for my security cameras and a combonation of Cysco Systems and IFS switches for internet/intranet communications over fiber. Retail price for my security system would be pushing $200K. Between Ebay and other sources, I'm into it about $15K. I lost over $20K worth of items over three years before I resorted to building and installing this system. Currently, one thief caught. He was dumb enough to park his work van directly in front of video surveilance sign on the front gate. I have three cameras viewing this location. One of which, is a .001 lux high res fixed camera with a 30:1 zoom looking straight out the gate from 200 ft up the drive. As soon as he turned off the headlights, I had a perfect recording of the liscense plate. My field of view with that camera at the gate is about 8ft wide centered on the 12ft gate. I have a fixed area view camera also to record activity in that area and a pan/tilt camera also recording the area. As I don't live on the property, I have a VPN connection to my house allowing me live access to the cameras for viewing and control and well as access to the recorded images. I use a Pelco DX8016 DVR (about $8K new) for recording and can hold about a weeks worth of video for 16 cameras on the hard drive. All video is watermarked, making it usable in court as evidence.

I'm currently looking for an alarm panel which will use IP protocol for communication with sub-panels in remote buildings (haven't found one that I am satisfied with yet). Once I have that resolved, I can use alarm triggers to turn cameras to preprogrammed locations for recording building entry violations. I have people break into my property, on average, once to twice a year. I got tired of it. I put in the system I did, because IMO, if I cannot positively identify a face and a plate, the system has little to no value. People out here obviously do not believe that the signs are real.

 

[woodlandfarms]

So Cyril, are you loosing copper to the tweakers or is this something more.

My video system set me back about $400 for 4 cameras, but none move, and I have to use webrowser. to view the respective house. No detail on any of the cameras, but the one guy we caught was working for a contractor whom was on the property. Easy find.

Carl

 

[dcyrilc]

So Cyril, are you loosing copper to the tweakers or is this something more.

My video system set me back about $400 for 4 cameras, but none move, and I have to use webrowser. to view the respective house. No detail on any of the cameras, but the one guy we caught was working for a contractor whom was on the property. Easy find.

Carl

The last large theft was of 10 used 14ft aluminum street light poles which I had spent two years talking one of the local cities out of. Policies have since changed in this area and laws require used/surplus items to be recycled now days. Replacement cost for those poles new was $9K as used replacements were no longer available. Previous to that, when we thought we were going to be able to put a house on the property, we sold our house and were living with my mother and had all our personal property stored on our land in the moble home we had purchased through a bank repo. Someone kicked in the doors and stole most of the things we had which had any value, crystal, silverware, leather sectional, my wife's teddy bear collection, etc. I've had copper cable stolen out of the ground as well as reels stolen which were being stored in buildings for use on jobsites. We have had building broken into and tools stolen. The last time they broke into the building, they removed the screws fron the steel siding and pulled it back to pull out the insulation and kick in the sheet rock for entry. The problems started about 10 years ago. Previous to that we never had a problem. We have had locks cut on the gates and we have had the chain link cut to the side of the gate. The hardest part has been trying to determine the best locations for the cameras and where to have them looking.

I've purchased many of my cameras off Ebay and rebuilt them from being nonfunctional into functional cameras. The 30:1 Pelco zoom lens I bought lists at about $2400 and I bought for $50. It cost me about $45 to ship it to Pelco and have the focus and zoom servos replaced. My most expensive PTZ setup lists at $4200 and I think I have about $650 into it. One of my purchases for fiber equipment was $300 for 41 pieces of various transmitters and receivers. I use IFS equipment because IFS has a lifetime warrenty and doesn't care that I bought them off Ebay. It's also high quality equipment.

The person we caught worked for a contractor in a neighboring city (Mercer Island). The Ford van he was driving belonged to his boss. I doubt his boss was happy when the detectives showed up with the videos and asked who had the van that night!

 

[SOS]

Well my building will only be 250 feet from the house so I'm planning on dropping a couple of cat 5s for my network and cctv. I'm pretty sure they work upto 350 feet without a repeater.

 

[SOS]

Where does your electrical service come into your property relative to where you are planning this building?

In my case, the supply came up from the road roughly following the drive to house. When I had an existing pole barn and a new metal horse barn wired we excavated and tied into the supply line under ground* near the project. My electrician was concerned that if we came from the house and back to the new service there would be capacity problems. It also saved material and was a lot simpler job. He earned his money with me right there.


*The connection was made in a Traffic box.

The transformer is about 500 to 600 feet away on the otherside of the property. see pic.

 

[dcyrilc]

Well my building will only be 250 feet from the house so I'm planning on dropping a couple of cat 5s for my network and cctv. I'm pretty sure they work upto 350 feet without a repeater.

The accepted maximum distance for Cat-5 is 100 meters (325 feet) so you should be fine.

 

[firefighter jim]

Jim here's your answer. The 1993 NEC also required a 3 wire system to have a ground rod installed.

Thanks again 507 and Cyril..............Happy New Year to you both. Jim

 

[dcyrilc]

Thanks again 507 and Cyril..............Happy New Year to you both. Jim

Happy New Year Jim.

What is the picture in your avitar? I can't quite make it out, but it looks cool!

 

[firefighter jim]

Happy New Year Jim.

What is the picture in your avitar? I can't quite make it out, but it looks cool!

Model T Ford which had a rather unfortunate accident in Washington D.C. (1922)!