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[milkman]

Well he wanted to pay with CC over the phone but i told him no that it had to be a cash deal and that i had to be paid before delievery. I hated to do it that way but figured it was for the best so my delievery guy wasnt put in the middle of things on having to clolect. He seemed to be ok with it. We will see.

Looks like the payment was discussed and agreed.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Guys I think Robb71 does not realize he is barking up an empty tree. Sad there is no one to leash him and drag him off of the empty tree. :laughing:

 

[CBW1999]

I'll try again.
Any further discussion is just proof that half the population is below average intelligence.

But like I said if you have facts, (not just what you want it to be) and you really want to share them, instead of hijacking this thread any more just send a private message.

I am a little offended by your first statement. Saying such a thing does not, IMHO garner you any credibility in trying to prove your point.

Second, CONTEXT is very important when reading the lengthy agreements as you have briefly quoted. You present only a couple of sentences within the entire document that proves YOUR point- (since most of us are not familiar with the entire document) is OUT OF CONTEXT.

I appreciate you being able to direct us to relevant documents regarding this but, asserting yourself in an attempt to shut down further discussion is not productive.

As for hijacking the thread, (which you also have done)- I would leave that to the OP to comment on.

 

[Robb71]

Looks like the payment was discussed and agreed.

Serious question, what part of "the choice is ultimately the customer's" is confusing you?

 

[blueriver]

Who do you use to process your credit transactions?

I quess a reputable one!

I'll try again.

This is direct from the MasterCard company rules:

"A Merchant must honor all valid Cards without discrimination when properly presented for payment."

This is what Visa's rules say:
"If the customer indicates that he or she wants to pay with a Visa card, the merchant must make sure that choice is honored."

"In other words, the choice is ultimately the customer's."

"However, if a customer chooses Visa, it must be processed as a Visa transaction."

Folk's it's not even debatable what the words mean. "All" means all, and "the merchant must make sure that choice is honored" means what it obviously means.

Any further discussion is just proof that half the population is below average intelligence. But like I said if you have facts, (not just what you want it to be) and you really want to share them, instead of hijacking this thread any more just send a private message.

It is not debatable ... if I say cash pay cash or go elsewhere.

Serious question, what part of "the choice is ultimately the customer's" is confusing you?

It is not the customer ... the merchant has the choice ... don't like it go somewhere else.

 

[Scotty370]

JLS- Guess I missed the "jump", when this went from a Tractor clutch problem, IE "was it dunked, wasn't it", to the disection of the American Credit Card System! I'll still be interested in the final chapter........~Scotty

 

[Robb71]

I am a little offended by your first statement. Saying such a thing does not, IMHO garner you any credibility in trying to prove your point.

Second, CONTEXT is very important when reading the lengthy agreements as you have briefly quoted. You present only a couple of sentences within the entire document that proves YOUR point- (since most of us are not familiar with the entire document) is OUT OF CONTEXT.

I appreciate you being able to direct us to relevant documents regarding this but, asserting yourself in an attempt to shut down further discussion is not productive.

As for hijacking the thread, (which you also have done)- I would leave that to the OP to comment on.

I'm not trying to prove anything, I put the water (information) out there for you to drink (understand) and if you have trouble figuring out that "all" means all it's not a problem of context.

Final word on the subject.

 

[blueriver]

I'm not trying to prove anything, I put the water (information) out there for you to drink (understand) and if you have trouble figuring out that "all" means all it's not a problem of context.

Final word on the subject.

I doubt that ....

 

[CBW1999]

I'm not trying to prove anything, I put the water (information) out there for you to drink (understand) and if you have trouble figuring out that "all" means all it's not a problem of context.

Final word on the subject.

If you are not trying to prove anything- then there would be no need for having the final word...........

 

[Sawdust Farmer]

I think everyone needs to step back and take a deep breath before someone ends up banned and the thread closed. Personally, I'm looking forward to hearing how this one ends. I expect jlsmith will resolve it with the professionalism he has displayed throughout this ordeal.

sf

 

[Mike Costello]

The ice was an expression meaning just because you got away with it does not mean the next guy will. Sorry it went over your head.

Look, I'm tired of explaining what a group of words means to couple of people who do not understand and refuse to open their minds.

Bottom line is that there exists a merchant agreement that the dealer signed, and I linked a copy of it or a substantially similar version in my earlier post.

If there is a loophole that would be awesome, I hope Mr Smith can find it, because I have the same opinion of the tractor's owner as everyone else in the thread.
If there is not a loophole I just want him to be aware of it because he seems like a really stand up guy and I would want my neighbor or friend to warn me if I was about to do something that could cause a problem.

If you can show me where I have stated a factual error or where the merchant agreement allows the dealer to refuse to accept a valid card for payment I have an open mind, otherwise let us just agree to disagree.

Fair enough?

Well, I'm glad we agree on one thing--that the tractor dealer deserves the best. As for the rest of your comments, they all revolve around your seriously closed mind and contemptable attitude towards the thoughts of others on this forum. You're too hung up on technique and lacking in innovation. As for the ice thing--no b_lls, no blue chips.

And now, back to our regular programming.

 

[sixdogs]

And now, back to our regular programming.

That's got my vote.

I'm hoping for a conclusion to this "rusty clutch sydrome" thread in the next day or so and in all seriousness am picking up some popcorn later today to brace for the approaching midwest storm. Looks like ice for us and the popcorn is unflavored in a microwave bag. Haven't had popcorn in eons and I figure to flit away the storm on this site with the best part on this thread.

Clutch thing is great story. Has drama, intrigue, skullduggery and gamesmanship overlayed on the intrigue of day-to-day life in the 21st century.

 

[JDOneDay]

It seems like the dealer (and MF) have gone above and beyond in this situation. Even though there doesn't appear to be any penalty for not doing so, I think he should accept the credit card payment (if the guy has a card that the dealer accepts, currently the customer is trying to use one that he doesn't) but he should not do it over the phone. It looks like the customer is setting it up so he can dispute the charge, if the dealer does not have the customer's signature, it could lead to a he said/he said situation.

Can't wait to hear how this turns out.

 

[Degolyerent]

I was beginning to think it was Robb71's tractor

 

[CBW1999]

I was beginning to think it was Robb71's tractor

:shocked::laughing::laughing::laughing:.......

-Braver than I am...but thought did cross my mind :confused2:

I know it is Sunday- but any updates from the dealer? The beer is mighty cold and I want to pop some pop corn soon :thumbsup:

 

[orezok]

Refuse the card- it's always easier getting forgiveness (from credit card company) than it is to get permission.:thumbsup:

 

[Mike Costello]

Refuse the card- it's always easier getting forgiveness (from credit card company) than it is to get permission.:thumbsup:

Exactly, If a cc is taken the dealer is wide open to the hassle and expense of recovering his money if the customer contests it. Don't give the customer this avenue in the first place.

 

[jlsmith]

Sorry guys haven't been on much this weekend I ve been spending time with the family, it was my weekend off. As far as the cc goes I do have to accept it unless the customer states he's signing under protest or hints around like he would contest the charges in which case has happened here. By him doing that I don't hace to accept his cc and my cc company has stated this was legal and he would have no grounds to stand on. Im just ready to get it over with and again thanks to all that have posted and thanks for all the great comments y'all have sent my way.
Jeremy

 

[Big Wave D]

jlSmith, has anyone approached you yet about getting the movie rights to this saga yet???

 

[Big Wave D]

It needs a working title.

Anybody, got anything they want to throw out?