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[Malibu 496]

Hi everbody another new guy here looking to buy a tractor. I have never owned a tractor so I don't know muchbut have been reading a lot on here. I have been looking at the kioti's and was liking the dk40 with a cab but the dealer was saying he didn't think he could get one of them and he priced out the nx4510 with a cab also since he had one of them on the lot. I am looking for info on what everybody thinks about the nx model versus the dk's? I know the nx are the tier 4 and turbocharged but is this good or bad? Both these models are a little big for what I need but being comfortable in the seat is a big problem for me and the smaller tractors I am not comfortable at all. Any info or recommendations are greatly appreciated.
Thanks Josh

 

[Gary Fowler]

As long as you don't have to use DEF in it, I wouldn't worry too much about the tier IV engines. I wouldn't buy a tractor that required it.
Comfort goes a long way in buying a tractor. Get what fits you.

 

[Rocky Hoffler]

I agree on getting a tractor that you feel comfortable in. especially with a cab, make sure you have good vision out of cab being new to this make sure to test drive and not just set in cab look at loader and turn around to look behind you while operating. Personally I would stay away from tier 4 DEF or not a turbo is just away of getting more power would not have an issue with it. If buying new shop around and seek out what you feel suits your needs.

 

[murphy1244]

The DK's are getting very hard to find. Try calling some more dealers if you really want this model.

Elite Lift Truck

7575 Hwy 10 NW
Ramsey, MN, 55303

Distance:49.5

Website: Visit Website

Phone:888-793-4595

 

[Baby Grand]

Check that the tractor is low enough to fit in your garage or shed, if you plan to keep it under cover.
I had a moment of panic when mine was delivered, and was greatly relieved to find I had 4" of clearance under the garage door.

 

[coolnature]

As long as you don't have to use DEF in it, I wouldn't worry too much about the tier IV engines. I wouldn't buy a tractor that required it.
Comfort goes a long way in buying a tractor. Get what fits you.

I have read that the DEF system is the better alternative for overall engine performance, longevity, etc., since it eliminates the EGR and DPF. Is the DEF system only viable for the larger HP tractors only, say 175 and up?

Thanks

John

 

[Malibu 496]

I don't think any of the smaller tractors run def but I am not sure. I would think they still run the egr and dpf even when they use def, I know trucks do. I am a ford technician so I deal with this stuff on trucks all the time, but I don't know how the tractors are doing with it on that is why I am asking about this stuff. I wish I had a Mahindra dealer close to check into them but the nearest one is 60 miles away, but I have dealers within 2 miles that are Kioti, JD, Kubota, MF, Mcormick, and a New Holland is 8 miles. But price and comfortability has drawn me to Kioti, and it looks like a lot of these tractors in this HP range are at the tier4 already.

 

[TJP89]

Yes, I think the Kioti DK is the only tractor in this HP that can be found at all in Tier III, all the others are pretty much phased out. The DK is fast becoming hard to find new, you will have to look around. Very little experience here with NX, it's very new, but those that have them are happy with them so far. Be careful as the 40-45 HP Kiotis are big tractors, size is very much an issue. What do you want to do with it, and how much land are you maintaining?

 

[k0ua]

The NX4510 does not use DEF, and is not turbocharged. It is naturally aspirated. So far what few operators that have the NX series seem to like them. You are a few months late on the DK series. Not saying you couldn't find one, but they have got to be getting scarce. The NX series will have lower emissions (cleaner exhaust), and slightly lower noise from the exhaust. There are a couple of other new features on the NX as well such as slightly higher hydraulic pump capacity.

 

[GManBart]

Hi everbody another new guy here looking to buy a tractor. I have never owned a tractor so I don't know muchbut have been reading a lot on here. I have been looking at the kioti's and was liking the dk40 with a cab but the dealer was saying he didn't think he could get one of them and he priced out the nx4510 with a cab also since he had one of them on the lot. I am looking for info on what everybody thinks about the nx model versus the dk's? I know the nx are the tier 4 and turbocharged but is this good or bad? Both these models are a little big for what I need but being comfortable in the seat is a big problem for me and the smaller tractors I am not comfortable at all. Any info or recommendations are greatly appreciated.
Thanks Josh

I won't say it's impossible, but a few months ago I tried finding a DK cabbed tractor, and there wasn't a new one within 500mi of me (farthest I looked), or at least I couldn't find it. Finding one now will be even harder.

With that said, I spent a fair amount of time looking at the NX series, and was very impressed. The quality/fit/finish of the cab is a step up from the DK, they seem to be quieter, and a number of new features were really nice. The auto-throttle for the transmission is very handy, and should prove to save fuel as well (no leaving the RPM up while you jump out for a minute that turns into five).

I don't think Tier IV is a huge deal either way...yes, it's got a few more parts, but this stuff has been in service for quite a while in other applications, so it's not really an unknown. The engine will be quieter, and get better fuel economy, so it's not all bad.

I think the 4510 is a bit light on PTO power (just under 32hp) and going up to the 5010 makes for a big improvement (up to 38.9hp), so I wasn't going any smaller than that. The 5510 and 6010 have a larger wheel and tire size, which I like, so then I decided the 5510 was a better choice. Ultimately, I'm wavering now, and may be buying a regular backhoe instead (lots of dirt to move), but I kept notes on pricing.

Michigan Iron and Equipment (awesome folks) had the best prices around. A 5010 with R4 tires was $31,008. A 5010 with R1 tires was $30,927. A 5510 with R4s was $32,490. a 5510 with R1s was $32,418. I know you were looking at 4510s, but I recall a 4510 was about $2K less than the 5010 (right around $29K). For options, the CD player/radio was $250, the rear windshield wiper was $150, and rear remotes were roughly $300 each (I think the first one is a bit more, and the second a bit less, but $600 for both). Whether you know it or not yet...get both remotes

 

[GManBart]

The NX4510 does not use DEF, and is not turbocharged. It is naturally aspirated.

The website is incorrect...it lists all four models as being naturally aspirated, but they are all turbocharged. If you download the brochure, it lists them all as being the 3F183T model.

 

[k0ua]

The website is incorrect...it lists all four models as being naturally aspirated, but they are all turbocharged. If you download the brochure, it lists them all as being the 3F183T model.

Well, you know how websites are. :laughing:

 

[Malibu 496]

Thanks for all the info. I am going to go check out the nx a little more, I did ask them a price on it and they told me $31,250 but I am not sure what options that includes, I didn't ask since that wasn't the tractor I originally wanted. Does that sound like a pretty good price?

 

[GManBart]

Thanks for all the info. I am going to go check out the nx a little more, I did ask them a price on it and they told me $31,250 but I am not sure what options that includes, I didn't ask since that wasn't the tractor I originally wanted. Does that sound like a pretty good price?

That price sounds around $1,500 to $2,000 high to me considering MI&E was right at $31K for a 5010, and a bit over $29K (might have been $29,500) for a 4510. There are some regional differences, and shipping to MN might be a couple hundred more than Michigan, but I'd still look for $30K or less for a 4510 before adding any of the options.

Short version...$31,250 isn't a crazy price, but you can likely buy for less somewhere else. For the difference between your local dealer and MI&E, you could buy it here, have it shipped there, and still save something like $1K. There's actually a form member in the local area who transports tractors on the side if something like that becomes attractive.

 

[boggen]

ya don't give much info on acrage, and what you will be using tractor for... those details, and folks might be able to point ya in a better direction.

 

[Malibu 496]

I have 6 acres, my main uses will be snow removal, driveway maintenance, some landscape work I want to do, and 1 of my acres is field that I need to do something with because it's all weeds right now. Like I said in my first post I know this is bigger than what I would actually need right now but I want to be comfortable in the cab.

 

[TJP89]

I have 6 acres, my main uses will be snow removal, driveway maintenance, some landscape work I want to do, and 1 of my acres is field that I need to do something with because it's all weeds right now. Like I said in my first post I know this is bigger than what I would actually need right now but I want to be comfortable in the cab.

Uh ,like a lot bigger than you need. I have 25 acres with 35 HP and its just fine. I get what you mean with the cab, but 45 or 50 HP for 6 acres is a little overkill, and I would guess you are going to have some size and maneuverability issues. I find it hard to believe that somebody doesn't make a big cab for a small CUT. If you go that big, you will definitely be able to do anything you want, but you will find that there are times when you wish you had a smaller and lighter tractor that can get into tight spaces and won't beat up the lawn. I know I find there are times when I can't bring the tractor on the lawn or it will rut it up pretty good. But do what you want, just keep in mind that you may not be able to go everywhere with the tractor. Obviously you can't finish mow with it, but you know that.

Then again, maybe I'm just jealous

 

[boggen]

TJP89 summed things up pretty good.

*chuckles* you have killed the overkill department a couple times over! *ughs*
turbo *shakes head no*
20hp to 30hp tractor more than plenty. that puts in around mid range SCUTs, to lower end CUTs. as far as pricing.

i would say you would be better off with a smaller tractor, with all the addon options. vs a bigger tractor. to much emphasis on only a couple hours at a time if that in tractor. vs being comfortable all day long in tractor.
the little addon's such as TNT, cab itself, extra lights, larger alternator, quick attach or like options out there, snow blower vs FEL (front end loader) and 3pt hitch rear blade, chains for rear tires, possibly a 3pt backhoe with sub frame, thumb for backhoe, and/or 4in1 or grapel for FEL. 3pt hitch finishing mower vs belly mower, other words focus on what would make tasks easier and quicker and get things done professional looking with some experience using. vs all focus on the cab, so your not in there entire weekend, but rather only in there a couple hours if that at a time.

bigger is not always better. its all in how use it.

 

[Malibu 496]

Geez I am starting to regret even asking about this on here.
People I talked to said to get something with 30 pto hp for what I wanted, it takes around a 40hp hst tractor to get around 30 pto hp so that is why I started looking at the dk40 and the salesman told me about the nx45. I did look at the ck35 but I didn't like the hst pedal with the brake pedal right above it. So what tractor with a cab would you recommend to run a brush mower, decent size rear snowblower, and something to work the acre field I have so I can plant something in there?

 

[dave1949]

LOL, yes we will give you regrets before, during and after your tractor choice.

Maybe another way to approach it is to think about implement size/width. A 40 hp engine with 32-35 hp at the pto will generally run 6' wide brush cutters and snow blowers. Drop down to a 30-35 hp engine and you would usually run 5' wide pto implements. 25-30 hp engine would be 4' wide. These are general guidelines only. 5 pto hp per foot of width. Any of those tractor sizes would pull a disk harrow to do an acre, or run a rototiller, just different widths.

There are variables of course. If you mow your brushy areas more often, just like mowing grass, it doesn't take as much power. If you let it go for two years and mow it in late July when it's really thick & juicy, it takes more power--or less travel speed.

With six acres production speed isn't your worry. Smaller implements cost less than large, you can own more of them for the same cost and do a larger variety of tasks. On the other hand, I like to say that snow storms and drifts, trees, rocks, etc. don't care or know what your lot size is. Dirt weighs the same too on large or small lots.

Three passes with a 4' snow blower is equal to two passes with a 6'. Unless you have a very long driveway that probably isn't significant. With a cab tractor keeping you comfy it's even less.

What width of implements do you envision being most useful at your place?