New garage time!

[747driver]

^^^^ yes, it might be worth taking the rim joist off and then trim down the joists. Take a grinder and round off the corners on the joist so they fit nice and snug against the rim joist. What is the siding detail going to be ? Maybe you can design it so the siding will hide that extension ?

 

[fatjay]

Unfortunately I think it's the point of no return for me I think, I just wanted to bring it up. Even if I trimmed it and brought the joist flush with the rim track, the holes are already drilled and the distance gained wouldn't be more than the width of the hole.

 

[Ford850]

Is it only overhanging on one side, or on both? I think I would add a layer of insulation or sheathing as the most efficient solution.

 

[fatjay]

It's hanging over on both sides, I split the difference. Plywood going on the outside then siding. In the grand scheme of things I don't think it'll be noticeable in the finished product, I just wanted to make a note of it for anyone that might consider this type of flooring. I will be adjusting for the 3rd floor as well.

 

[747driver]

Most of us here have built many things and doing so have had this happen to us ! The genius part is we scratched our heads and made a design change to which no one else knew about it but us !!!

 

[sodamo]

On the bright side, the joists are all screwed in and not nailed. So... all you have to do is remove all the screws and joists so they can be trimmed 1/2" or so and then put back together.

And if you trim each end no need to take down. Double the fun.

 

[sodamo]

Most of us here have built many things and doing so have had this happen to us ! The genius part is we scratched our heads and made a design change to which no one else knew about it but us !!!

And selfishly didn’t even share the colorful dialog that accompanied. Most of the time anyway. May have been a time or two the wife overheard.

 

[dragoneggs]

It's hanging over on both sides, I split the difference. Plywood going on the outside then siding. In the grand scheme of things I don't think it'll be noticeable in the finished product, I just wanted to make a note of it for anyone that might consider this type of flooring. I will be adjusting for the 3rd floor as well.

I'm thinking you can come up with a siding plan to either hide it or make it look like a planned architectural detail. Just flash it somehow if needed, so it doesn't create a water problem.

 

[747driver]

And selfishly didn’t even share the colorful dialog that accompanied. Most of the time anyway. May have been a time or two the wife overheard.

:thumbsup:

 

[GLyford]

I'm thinking you can come up with a siding plan to either hide it or make it look like a planned architectural detail. Just flash it somehow if needed, so it doesn't create a water problem.

I was thinking along these lines too. A horizontal detail line to help break up the expanse of the side wall. "I meant to do that..."

 

[EddieWalker]

Being able to tie the first floor to the second floor with your siding is really important.

If you leave it sticking out a quarter of an inch on each side, you could daddo out a quarter inch out of 3/4 inch plywood, and probably be fine.

Or you could cut 3/4 of an inch off of each joist. that should give you enough material to put the screws back in and still have your strength.

 

[dragoneggs]

Being able to tie the first floor to the second floor with your siding is really important.

Theoretically, yes. The sheathing is where your wall shear strength comes from. Having a seam straight across the entire side is not ideal, but I am not aware of any code that would prevent a seam but then I am not up on codes. Staggering seams in general is better. In real life, I doubt there would be too much strength loss and your build factor of safety is high anyways.

 

[fatjay]

Overall overhang is about 1/8" all around now. Plywood is lapping from 1st to second floor. I'm not one to cut corners, but cutting those things on the ground on the horses was a pain, Cutting them up there Would be a nightmare. I'm fairly sure I'd screw up a whole lot more taking it all down again and cutting 3/4" off. I'm also pretty sure my buddy would quit on me if I told him that. I may come up with something else but for now I'm not so sure.

Weather didn't hold that well today. Still, got the walls pulled out and lined up, got everything even. All end plates screwed in and everything is tight. Checked square at the top and i'm 1" out, so I hooked up 2 ratchet straps to the long corners at the top and tightened down. Sure enough the sky opened up right then on us. I was completely drenched by the time I got off the scaffolding, and I was moving. Grabbed the drills and under the back porch roof. Almost forgot the windows in the truck. Left me completely drenched. Still, a good time.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Could put thin sheathing under a thicker sheathing, thin only to take up space except at the joists.

 

[dragoneggs]

Could put thin sheathing under a thicker sheathing, thin only to take up space except at the joists.

Yep, especially if trying to hide it and not create a transition. Personally I think a 'banded' look could add some architectural flair.

 

[KWentling]

What ever you do, don't compromise your sheeting on the front end wall with the doors. Pretty big racking potential to resist there with 2 more floors to catch the wind. I believe they recommend nails every 3" on the sheeting in that application. On my garage I sheeted inside and outside around the doors.

 

[fatjay]

What ever you do, don't compromise your sheeting on the front end wall with the doors. Pretty big racking potential to resist there with 2 more floors to catch the wind. I believe they recommend nails every 3" on the sheeting in that application. On my garage I sheeted inside and outside around the doors.

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure i understood what you're saying.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

What ever you do, don't compromise your sheeting on the front end wall with the doors. Pretty big racking potential to resist there with 2 more floors to catch the wind. I believe they recommend nails every 3" on the sheeting in that application. On my garage I sheeted inside and outside around the doors.

Yes, I would not want 3 stories on a building that narrow.

 

[dragoneggs]

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure i understood what you're saying.

The cutouts for your doors weaken the shear strength of that wall.

 

[fatjay]

Keep in mind the roof will be directly connected to the footer with 6x 3/4" all thread encased in 6 block deep in concrete.

Bridging almost done. Maximum spacing is 8' per the manufacturer. Reasonably simple to do so I'm doing a bit extra. There will be a 4th row installed as well, then plywood going up. I'll position the drywall hoist in the opening in the back and should be able to send 4 sheets up at a time.

Had a ton of rain, combined with dirt and sawdust, I'm hoping to get it dried out and hit it with the leaf blower this weekend, then start hauling plywood in.