Neutral gear start bypass

[Midniteoyl]

Neutral safety switch on an HST is total nonsense . As are some of the posts here on the subject .

HST pedals can, and do, stick.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I’m not familiar with your model, but looking through the owners manual for it, I couldn’t find where putting it in neutral was a starting requirement, only that it’s recommended.
Twice, the manual lists only these two prerequisites.

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It does need to also be in one of the Neutrals.

 

[DarkBlack]

It does need to also be in one of the Neutrals.

I believe you. I was just pointing out that it isn’t documented in the manual, unless I missed it

 

[Kiowner]

I’m not familiar with your model, but looking through the owners manual for it, I couldn’t find where putting it in neutral was a starting requirement, only that it’s recommended.
Twice, the manual lists only these two prerequisites.

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Don't have the manual in front of me but for my model starting in neutral is required, states this in the manual and experience it on the tractor - it will not start unless in neutral. And if I get off the seat it will shut off unless it's in neutral.

 

[Kiowner]

HST pedals can, and do, stick.

Yes, and mine has that problem also. However, if the pedal is stuck and I'm still moving forward I ain't gonna get off the tractor until I unstick the pedal.
I'm not going to park the tractor when I'm done for the day with the tractor still creeping forward. Pedal only sometimes gets stuck when I take my foot off of it, not when been sitting there parked.
Talk about a safety concern, a "gas" pedal that gets stuck when you take your foot off it!!! Sounds like a safety issue to me.

 

[paulsharvey]

Don't have the manual in front of me but for my model starting in neutral is required, states this in the manual and experience it on the tractor - it will not start unless in neutral. And if I get off the seat it will shut off unless it's in neutral.

If the seat switch is intact, getting off, must be in neutral and parking brake engaged.

To start, must be in N, seat depressed, and brake on (it doesnt care if parking brake or brake pressed), and on mine, clutch in.

To be honest, I feel the brake on, and Neutral, when getting off, is a bit redundant, and annoying, if gettinf on/off a lot. Its not the end of the world, but it is annoying. If you by pass the seat switch, it never realizes your off the seat, so both are neutralized.

Start up, I could see N and break; or clutch, and ignore the seat.

But, as i pointed out, dog jumping up and hitting the forward peddle kinda changed my mind. When from a no brainer to remove, to, ehh, maybe, maybe not. Worst part, for me, with seat switch, standing up to do delicate moves. Be nice if you had 30 seconds. Someone on a post once, mentioned they had installed a seat safety over ride switch, that you could press and it eliminated the seat, engine kill, for like 30 seconds or 5 minutes or something.

 

[Kiowner]

I think I may install a seat bypass that will be enabled by pressing a momentary switch. This would only be active if the key is turned on and will de-activate once the key is turned off or if I turn it off by this switch. That way the normal safety features will always be enabled on startup.
The switch will be hidden so anyone else, including my dog cannot enable it.
I will not disclose where I hide this switch.

I start my tractor from the ground almost every time I get ready to pull it out of it's parking spot. I appreciate that big green N on the dash and the neutral safety switch. Because getting run over by that big ol tractor wheel 1 foot to my right would SUCK!

My tractor only shows the N on the dash when I turn the key on. It does not show it after that if I am if I am in neutal. I wish it did, sometimes it's hard to get the shift lever to move into neutral and it would b nice to know if it was.

 

[HawkinsHollow]

I think I may install a seat bypass that will be enabled by pressing a momentary switch. This would only be active if the key is turned on and will de-activate once the key is turned off or if I turn it off by this switch. That way the normal safety features will always be enabled on startup.
The switch will be hidden so anyone else, including my dog cannot enable it.
I will not disclose where I hide this switch.

My Branson did not come with a seat safety switch and I am glad. I think that would get annoying. Not quite sure how it makes a tractor safer, can anyone enlighten me?

 

[Midniteoyl]

If the seat switch is intact, getting off, must be in neutral and parking brake engaged.

To start, must be in N, seat depressed, and brake on (it doesnt care if parking brake or brake pressed), and on mine, clutch in.

To be honest, I feel the brake on, and Neutral, when getting off, is a bit redundant, and annoying, if gettinf on/off a lot. Its not the end of the world, but it is annoying. If you by pass the seat switch, it never realizes your off the seat, so both are neutralized.

Start up, I could see N and break; or clutch, and ignore the seat.

But, as i pointed out, dog jumping up and hitting the forward peddle kinda changed my mind. When from a no brainer to remove, to, ehh, maybe, maybe not. Worst part, for me, with seat switch, standing up to do delicate moves. Be nice if you had 30 seconds. Someone on a post once, mentioned they had installed a seat safety over ride switch, that you could press and it eliminated the seat, engine kill, for like 30 seconds or 5 minutes or something.

My Kioti has like a 3-4sec delay for standing up to see. Still too short, but it's there.

 

[Midniteoyl]

My Branson did not come with a seat safety switch and I am glad. I think that would get annoying. Not quite sure how it makes a tractor safer, can anyone enlighten me?

You bounce off/fall off/roll over it stops the tractor. Pretty simple as to why it's there.

Wasn't there a post recently of an excavator backing up with no operator and taking out a power pole? That's why.

 

[HawkinsHollow]

You bounce off/fall off/roll over it stops the tractor. Pretty simple as to why it's there.

Wasn't there a post recently of an excavator backing up with no operator and taking out a power pole? That's why.

Yeah, I guess. Still glad my tractor doesn't have one.

 

[DarkBlack]

You bounce off/fall off/roll over it stops the tractor. Pretty simple as to why it's there.

Safer as far as hitting other objects, yes. As far as your safety, unless you are crawling in snail gear, your tractor is still going to run you over if you get in front of a tire or the implement.
My seat got bypassed after just a couple weeks. Constantly cutting out whenever I rearranged my seating position, or going over rough ground.
I mainly use foot control for the throttle.
I also use a wood chipper

 

[paulsharvey]

My Kioti has like a 3-4sec delay for standing up to see. Still too short, but it's there.

Yeah, same, enough to stand up, look, sit down, and stand back up... 30 seconds would be good, or a switch that you activate, kind of a "hey, i know im doing this, and I accept the risk" button.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Yeah, same, enough to stand up, look, sit down, and stand back up... 30 seconds would be good, or a switch that you activate, kind of a "hey, i know im doing this, and I accept the risk" button.

A floor button on the deck that's depressed when you stand, but releases if you fall?

 

[Midniteoyl]

Yeah, I guess. Still glad my tractor doesn't have one.

Neither does mine anymore.. Just saying why the power's that be decided it be there.

 

[WinterDeere]

My seat got bypassed after just a couple weeks. Constantly cutting out whenever I rearranged my seating position, or going over rough ground.

I've never understood why manufacturers do this. Both of my Deeres, built 1986 ad 2019, keep running if I leave the seat, as long as rear PTO is not running. They prevent forward momentum, and will come to a quick stop if I leave the seat, but they do not switch off the engine.

The exception is if rear PTO is running. Both machines would shut themselves down if you left the seat with the rear PTO running, in some attempt to keep you from running over yourself with your own 3-point mower or snow blower. Both would allow you to run the rear PTO with no one in the seat, if you were already off the seat when it started, such that you could still use rear PTO for log splitter.

It's a pretty good system. The only time I find it to be any annoyance at all, is when hooking up JDQA implements, as I sometimes want to lift my butt off the seat for better visibility over the hood. The tractor just stops moving, until I sit back down.

 

[grsthegreat]

I've never understood why manufacturers do this. Both of my Deeres, built 1986 ad 2019, keep running if I leave the seat, as long as rear PTO is not running. They prevent forward momentum, and will come to a quick stop if I leave the seat, but they do not switch off the engine.

The exception is if rear PTO is running. Both machines would shut themselves down if you left the seat with the rear PTO running, in some attempt to keep you from running over yourself with your own 3-point mower or snow blower. Both would allow you to run the rear PTO with no one in the seat, if you were already off the seat when it started, such that you could still use rear PTO for log splitter.

It's a pretty good system. The only time I find it to be any annoyance at all, is when hooking up JDQA implements, as I sometimes want to lift my butt off the seat for better visibility over the hood. The tractor just stops moving, until I sit back down.

My 1996 jd870 would kill the engine if i left the seat under any conditions. Just to raise up a bit to see over the hood…..engine dies.

 

[HawkinsHollow]

I've never understood why manufacturers do this. Both of my Deeres, built 1986 ad 2019, keep running if I leave the seat, as long as rear PTO is not running. They prevent forward momentum, and will come to a quick stop if I leave the seat, but they do not switch off the engine.

The exception is if rear PTO is running. Both machines would shut themselves down if you left the seat with the rear PTO running, in some attempt to keep you from running over yourself with your own 3-point mower or snow blower. Both would allow you to run the rear PTO with no one in the seat, if you were already off the seat when it started, such that you could still use rear PTO for log splitter.

It's a pretty good system. The only time I find it to be any annoyance at all, is when hooking up JDQA implements, as I sometimes want to lift my butt off the seat for better visibility over the hood. The tractor just stops moving, until I sit back down.

That sounds like a system I could live with. But this killing the engine every time weight is removed from the seat is ridiculous. Does anyone know why Branson does not have this safety feature? Do other tractor makers exclude this safety feature?

 

[Kiowner]

My 2012 Kubota works just like Winterdeere explained. I like that system much better.

 

[grsthegreat]

There is no seat switch in my 2010 cabbed kioti dk45.