Moving logs

   / Moving logs #21  
I agree, way to much thinking going on. You might need to put a little ballast on the back and cut them shorter if weight is an issue. I’ve hauled some pretty good sized logs with my little JD2025r and while they are in the air I often cut them to length right on the forks.
 
   / Moving logs #22  
You said pine? For firewood? Umm, this is generally not a good idea unless you have some kinda wood burning system I don't know about. Not telling you what to do or how, but I've cut, split, hauled, stacked and fed my share of firewood when I was a kid to a very hungry brick fireplace without a damper that ate 10 inch diameter 32 inch long unseasoned red oak logs in about 3 hours, and we NEVER put any pine in it other than some seasoned knots or splinters (kindling) for starting the fire. In fact, I did all the wood cutting for our house and my step-grandparents, including their fireplace and wood-burning stove. Never even considered pine because of the hazards from the resins. If you can get it dry enough to burn, it burns out like paper. You have more than a slight advantage in the desert for drying, but I can only imagine how much turpentine and resin will be in it because of the slow growth. Here, a pine is big enough for pulp wood in 5 years, lumber in 10. Very thick growth rings.

Burning pine usually creates a lot of soot, creosote, and turpentine, which gets very hazardous very quickly. If you've never seen or heard a chimney get a soot fire, well, let's just say there are some things best not experienced. Mine sorta sounded like a Saturn V rocket turned upside down, and looked like it too. Every neighbor that could see my house called the fire department when they heard it and then saw it. I didn't get to see what it looked like outside, because I was too busy trying to get it shut down. I managed to get it under control (closed the damper nearly off) before they got here, but you could smell the hot metal in that chimney. Apparently, the previous owners used to burn a lot of the pine from the back yard in it, and didn't bother to have the chimney cleaned. Didn't need cleaning after that night. I very nearly lost my house, and would have if the damper hadn't choked the fire back. Should have made sure that was an inspection item before I bought the place.

'Twould be smarter to find a buddy with a sawmill and mill that stuff in to rough lumber, dimensioned so it can be finished if it's knot-free if there's a planer mill in your area. Especially if they're straight. Talk about some good free shed materials. Kinda wish I was near ya. I need a new shed. Depending on how many you have, and how much spare time you have, it might be time to invest in a mill. A decent one can be had for about $5K. Have you seen the price of lumber lately? Especially 12 foot long lumber! If you're in the High Desert, you're probably talking air-dried rough-cut lumber in two weeks, especially if you dry it in summer. Just keep the sun off it, or it'll crawl off by itself. That's some big bucks, and the mill would nearly pay for itself with the first cutting. It looks like a lotta work, though.



That is the opinion most of us had when I grew up in New England, but I have since learned it's not nearly as bad as people think. Out west, there are places where all they have is pine and other softwoods, and they don't have any more chimney fires than anywhere else. The key with pine is to thoroughly dry it. With proper (low) moisture content, it won't be a problem. If it is too wet and/or the chimney is not well designed, then you will have moisture in the smoke and it condenses on the way up the chimney and deposits all that crap on your chimney walls. With dry wood and a proper chimney, it will go out the top before it can become a problem.

The issue with pine and other softwoods is the low density, which results in lower BTUs per volume. You won't get nearly as much heat out of pine. Yet it takes the same amount of space to stack and it produces a lot of ash. So it's not desirable or efficient for heating.

I think where the rubber hits the road is the condition of your chimney. That will tell you if there is a problem with your wood or chimney design. I've never had more than soft ash come out of my chimney when it's cleaned (about every 2-3 years). I probably burn 30% pine along with hardwoods. I dry my pine 2-3 years and it is bone dry when burned.
 
   / Moving logs #23  
When it comes to burning pine most are misinformed...do an Internet search (your favorite search engine) and search for " myths about burning pine"...you will find the truth and be informed...
 
   / Moving logs #24  
Perhaps people who burn pine out west can get it dryer than us easterners who snub it....humidity levels being what they are.
People burn what they got. If you live in the high dessert of Mongolia and all you have is yak dung to heat your yurt, well...

I just realized OP lives where he gets frost. Snow too? Here we can usually drive on frozen ground all day long with no noticeable long term damage (arguably). Is it different where soil has less moisture content to freeze?
Grabbing multiple 12 footers with forks isn’t a big deal.
 
   / Moving logs #25  
Good excuse to buy a grapple ;)
I had many shagbark hickories cut into 9' lengths, all about 22" to 28" diameter, grabbed them and moved to an easy location for cutting and splitting.
Not sure of your tractor capabilities though.
 
   / Moving logs #26  
Why not just bring your trailer around to your neighbors property and ask them to set the logs on that, rather then setting them over the fence?
 
   / Moving logs #27  
Pine, get a bandsaw and bring it out as lumber.
 
   / Moving logs #28  
That is the opinion most of us had when I grew up in New England, but I have since learned it's not nearly as bad as people think. Out west, there are places where all they have is pine and other softwoods, and they don't have any more chimney fires than anywhere else. The key with pine is to thoroughly dry it. With proper (low) moisture content, it won't be a problem. If it is too wet and/or the chimney is not well designed, then you will have moisture in the smoke and it condenses on the way up the chimney and deposits all that crap on your chimney walls. With dry wood and a proper chimney, it will go out the top before it can become a problem.

The issue with pine and other softwoods is the low density, which results in lower BTUs per volume. You won't get nearly as much heat out of pine. Yet it takes the same amount of space to stack and it produces a lot of ash. So it's not desirable or efficient for heating.

I think where the rubber hits the road is the condition of your chimney. That will tell you if there is a problem with your wood or chimney design. I've never had more than soft ash come out of my chimney when it's cleaned (about every 2-3 years). I probably burn 30% pine along with hardwoods. I dry my pine 2-3 years and it is bone dry when burned.

YES!

By the TON, there is MORE heat in pine than in ash. But a ton of dry pine is a rather large pile -o-wood. ;-)

Heck, hemlock is equal to Cheery in heat output. I burn a LOT of Hemlock and I live in the Eastern Hardwood Forest.

(Sure wish the the electric power would come back on, Heavy wet snow last night. The gen is running now to keep the freezer cold.)
 
   / Moving logs #29  
If you want to quickly & simply pick up logs, carry and drop them without leaving your tractor seat: Use the "Heavy Duty SOLID STEEL 28" 4 Claw Timber Log Lifting Logging Tongs Grabber Tong" shackled/aligned on your front mounted boom (use your 3ph box blade for counter-weight), $179 from Amazon. As one reviewer suggested: Tie a rope around the tong's bars on each side, for easier alignment and release - pull up on the rope. I never had so much fun moving logs!!
 
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Thanks again for all your suggestions (though I am a bit surprised no one suggested that I purchase hundreds of dollars worth of plywood and lay that down to drive over). I will simply wait until the ground freezes and/or there is snow. It may not be this (or even next) year, but I am in no rush, the wood isn't going anywhere nor is it in my way or view, and it won't rot (in our climate anyway) for a long time.
 

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