Most domestic content question

[jake98]

that was a thread and a half, I wouldn't call it ruined...
jake

 

[patrick_g]

that was a thread and a half, I wouldn't call it ruined...
jake

Certainly not. Any thread where a little impromptu extemporaneous psychobabble puts otherwise intelligent folks so on the defensive over total trivia can't be all bad.

I like the idea of content by the pound but why not by volume, anything but by the $. But will it take off from a magic conveyor and what kind of oil to use in it and and changed how often and where do the kids ride on it and how high will the FEL put you for a work platform???

Pat

 

[jake98]

well put. don't forget about the proper wine selection to go with it...

 

[3RRL]

It's funny after reading all the responses that no has bothered to claim themselves as the most domestic part of their tractor...the American man (or woman) that owns and operates it. That to me is the most important part. Who cares where the parts are made. We all use stuff not made in America anymore, get over it. Some stuff works better than others but that was true even when stuff was made strictly in America anyway. The user has a lot to do with performance and in the long run, everything to do with how satisfying it is.

 

[N80]

Who cares where the parts are made.

Builder does.....and he's very, very sensitive about it so be careful that you don't go ruining HIS thread.... again.

 

[hunterridgefarm]

David, what are these percentages based on? Weight? Volume? Number of individual parts? See what I'm getting at? If you say tractor 'A' has 25% domestic (USA) content, does that mean that this tractor, which weighs 4000 pounds (for instance) has 1000 pounds of US material in it? Or does it mean that 25% of its parts were made here?

And, lets say the starter is made in Mexico, does the OEM know where the parts of the starter are from? How? That would rely on Mexican regulator honesty and efficiency wouldn't it?

Not arguing, seriously, just curious.

But lets say we do know for absolute fact that 50% of one tractor is US domestic (whether it is weight, parts or whatever) and another tractor is 70% US domestic. How could anyone use this info for any practical purpose unless they expanded this info to include which parts and how they were made and or assembled?

Patrick: What?

Really, the powers and thresholds of discernment are going to be tempered by whether or not the 'discernee' gives a rip or not. (all in fun, man).

David, what are these percentages based on? Weight? Volume? Number of individual parts? See what I'm getting at? If you say tractor 'A' has 25% domestic (USA) content, does that mean that this tractor, which weighs 4000 pounds (for instance) has 1000 pounds of US material in it? Or does it mean that 25% of its parts were made here?

How the OEM computes I really don't know. However when I report it would be as to how the parts were ordered, (weight, pieces,volume,etc). In most cases we deal with piece parts. So if the OEM ordered 500 parts the were made from steel, mined in the US, it would be 100% domestic. But here is a kicker...if it was a casting, cast in the US but the steel was mined and shipped from China, the country of origin would be China, because we deal with metals. How the OEM computes how much of this casting would be considered domestic (cast and machined in the US) I honestly don't know. But the regulations in place are supposed to dictate this. .


And, lets say the starter is made in Mexico, does the OEM know where the parts of the starter are from? How? That would rely on Mexican regulator honesty and efficiency wouldn't it?

Lets say I buy a drive motor from Mexico, "C of O" would be Mexico. I all "my cases" the OEM tells me who to buy this from; does not matter if it is part of an assembly or it is something I modify. So it is my understanding, not fact, that the OEM should know where all the componets of that drive motor originated since that company should be supplying the same forms as I.

Not arguing, seriously, just curious.

But lets say we do know for absolute fact that 50% of one tractor is US domestic (whether it is weight, parts or whatever) and another tractor is 70% US domestic. How could anyone use this info for any practical purpose unless they expanded this info to include which parts and how they were made and or assembled?

Really it is a point that is hard to argue, one way or the other. And 50% vs 70% who knows other than the OEM how this is arrived at. But I believe it is a combination of parts, weight, volume, etc. be it metal, rubber, plastic, glass, etc.

So if 70% of that tractor is made in the US it would be based on ...only the OEM knows for sure .

 

[patrick_g]

It's funny after reading all the responses that no has bothered to claim themselves as the most domestic part of their tractor...the American man (or woman) that owns and operates it. That to me is the most important part. Who cares where the parts are made. We all use stuff not made in America anymore, get over it. Some stuff works better than others but that was true even when stuff was made strictly in America anyway. The user has a lot to do with performance and in the long run, everything to do with how satisfying it is.

Sorry, but all our ancestors were from foreign locations hence we are all of foreign design however long on this continent. No human life originated here so we are all either direct imports or derived from earlier imports. That suggests that there is zero domestic content in the operators. If that is not acceptable then someone would have to make a determination at what generation imports are suddenly domestic or is it a continuum?

Pat

 

[N80]

Sorry, but all our ancestors were from foreign locations

"My mother was Dutch."
Sheriff Bart (Cleavon Little), Blazing Saddles, 1974

No human life originated here

Well, I originated here.

 

[patrick_g]

"My mother was Dutch."
Sheriff Bart (Cleavon Little), Blazing Saddles, 1974



Well, I originated here.

In the context under discussion that would require you to substantiate being a mutant or somehow being different enough to qualify as a different species from the rest of us. I doubt this is the case. I was born in the US also, BUT as you, of a species that did not originate here.

The most recent DNA testing makes a strong case for a single migration from Siberia seeding the western hemisphere with its original population of humans which spread southward principally along the west coast of the Americas. Results still being analyzed but to be published soon will cover North America in much greater detail and possibly detail the genetic contributions from other sources. This covers the original population of the western hemisphere not including contributions from Vikings, Iberians, et al who predated Columbus.

My best guess is that your ancestors first set foot in the western hemisphere subsequent to Columbus as most of mine did although a few may have met the boat.

In this context neither of us is fully domestic, even if you do windows.

Pat

 

[Builder]

Websters definition of "Paranoid": 1: resembling paranoia 2: characterized by suspiciousness and distrustfullness..........

I know in this case that "paranoid" is the word being used by me to describe one who is overly suspicious of my thread asking what tractors are the most domestic. Overy suspicious or distrustfull that I might be up to something else.

In this thread, one distrustfull of my motives or actions, like when one can't provide a simple answer to a simple question without being distrustfull or suspicious of an ulterior motive. Looking for the shooter in the grassy knoll in my thread kinda thing.

Okay big boy? Or will you beat me over the head with the perverbial purse some more? I'm just as edjumicated as you ya know

I say if you're a doctor, prescribe your own meds.


Conspiracy theories.....tsk tsk.......more liberalism run amok.

 

[N80]

In this thread, one distrustfull of my motives or actions, like when one can't provide a simple answer to a simple question without being distrustfull or suspicious of an ulterior motive. Looking for the shooter in the grassy knoll in my thread kinda thing.

Um, well, ah, I don't know what to say Builder..... but by all accounts, those last two sentences make somebody sound paranoid. We'll leave it up to our readers to determine who.

Seriously, I don't know where the 'suspicious' and distrustful theme is even coming from. Its never been a matter of trust or suspicion. In fact it couldn't be. I have no reason to trust anyone I don't know and I'd have to care to be suspicious. So that pretty much counts me out. Sorry.

I'm just as edjumicated as you ya know

You could easily be far more educated than me. Being a doctor does not make one smart. My wife says I'm living proof.

I say if you're a doctor, prescribe your own meds.

Oh, I don't have to prescribe them. I have what they call a sample closet. I keep the pills in a big glass bowl and eat them like M&Ms.

Conspiracy theories.....tsk tsk.......more liberalism run amok.

Yep, that's me. Liberal kook fringe. Just ask anybody. And if you didn't pick up on the sarcasm, here's a hint, there is only one way to know the phrase 'liberal kook fringe'....

Seriously Builder, if at this point in this thread you aren't laughing when you read my posts then something is wrong. I'm laughing at yours and everything is okay. The proverbial 'simple question' has been fleshed out in oh so many ways both on and off target. Its all in fun now.

 

[N80]

In this context neither of us is fully domestic, even if you do windows.
Pat

Pat, you're just ruining this thread! But since it has been ruined in so many ways, let me tell you why you are wrong.

First, none of my constituent components came from anywhere but here. The raw materials, to which I will some day return, (including my DNA) were made of elements and molecules that came from right here in the good old USA. We're made of nothing but dirt and water. Where the blue print comes from is irrelevant. Although, I will admit that my 'manufacturer' is not a resident of the USA.... nor even the planet.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

When I said it was not available, I assumed everyone would know the manufacturers have this information.

Ah yes, Kelly LeBrock , used to be married to Steven Seagal.

Yep! So far, I can say for sure, based on replies, at least THREE of us realize that each manufacturer knows where they get their parts. And I'd say a few manufacturers know all about where their competitors get their parts. There MAY even be one or two that have it all "in black and white". But it's pure speculation on our part and very secretive on their part if that is in fact the case. In any event, NONE of them are about to make it public knowledge any time soon.

And the thread was headed down the toilet until Kelly LeBrock's name popped up !!!!

About time for a padlock........

 

[Builder]

Yep, that's me. Liberal kook fringe.

I knew that's what you were all about! Admitting your faults is the first step to recovery. Rush always described the liberal kook fringe as the paranoid, conspiracy theory group.

Big global warming guy too, huh?

 

[hunterridgefarm]

And the thread was headed down the toilet until Kelly LeBrock's name popped up !!!!

About time for a padlock........

Man this is getting EXCITING !!! I have never been involved in a padlock thread

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Man this is getting EXCITING !!! I have never been involved in a padlock thread

I just now realized I mentioned Kelly LeBrock and padlock in the same post

 

[N80]

Big global warming guy too, huh?

You betcha! It was 80 degrees here today. I'm pretty well known here at TBN as that "Crazy Global Warming Guy". You must have missed me in that thread! (speaking of padlocked!)

I'll see if I can find that picture of me with my new North Korean hybrid moped. Zero % domestic and 723 mpg (city, no pedaling!).

P.S.: I hope this thread doesn't get locked. Its obviously gotten silly, but hunterrdigefarm did give us some serious information to think about so it isn't totally useless and I hope everyone is laughing at this point even if they aren't getting useful info.

 

[orezok]

Sorry, but all our ancestors were from foreign locations hence we are all of foreign design however long on this continent. No human life originated here so we are all either direct imports or derived from earlier imports. That suggests that there is zero domestic content in the operators. If that is not acceptable then someone would have to make a determination at what generation imports are suddenly domestic or is it a continuum?

Pat

OK, let's really warp this thread. If all americans are "imports", then we have to ask the question are americans aliens to mexico or are mexicans aliens (some illegal) to america, after all we moved the border after they were already here!