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I too just bought a Miller Dialarc HF 250,tig and stick machine. It is a 90 amp primary transformer machine. I haven't decided whether to hard wire or buy a huge outlet and plug with cord. I bought this monster because my new Diversion 180 has too small a duty cycle. Instead of turning off it tapers off on amperage. The Dialarc has a heat exchanger in the transformer, and a water cooled torch. I should be able to weld as long as I want. The HF is said to offer high frequency. If you think of the sine wave of 60 cycle ac current a full cycle begins at 0 voltage and current. as 1/60 of a second passes voltage will rise quickly, then level out, then fall again to zero, as the polarity, or direction of flow reverses it falls below the zero voltage line and in mirror image repeats ending a cycle at zero. Lets think of voltage as electrical pressure, An arc requires electrical pressure to ionize air. Ionized air conducts electricity far more easily. In sine wave machines the current or amperes pauses 120 times a second. In the simplest of DC machines flow of current in one direction is prevented leaving a pause of 1/120 of a second. Ionization is lost quickly. The arc must re establish. High frequency machines allow less time to loose the arc making the weld smoother. My concern with this machine is: A. Is the frequency high enough to be helpful? B. Is the lack of A.C. balance control going to interfere with cleaning action in welding aluminum?
Aluminum conducts heat away at an alarming rate. A precise, well focused arc is important welding aluminum. Aluminum oxidizes instantly on contact with air. Aluminum oxide film is thin and almost invisible. Aluminum melts at around 1200 degrees Fahrenheit, aluminum oxide at 2700 degrees. As soon as you clean it oxidation begins anew. We use ac for aluminum. During the electrode positive portion of a cycle electrons leap from the work to the electrode, (tungsten). This tends to blow away the oxide layer exposing the pure aluminum. As shielding gas is used no oxidation occurs. A dab of filler rod, and a miracle happens a weld begins to grow.
If we could see lightning in slow motion, its jagged path is caused by a series of steps, voltage,(pressure) builds, air is ionized current is established. It travels until its energy is too little to conduct through un ionized air, more electrons rush in to build voltage more air is ionized, more current! The human eye isn't quick enough to see these faltering steps. We see only the jagged path it follows. If current were not interrupted, it would move in a predictable straight line. High frequency power could establish a more nearly continuous path. To us this would mean a narrow arc, concentrating its heat on a narrow point more effectively blasting away oxide, melting workpiece metal in a narrower path wasting less energy, accomplishing the weld quickly before as much heat can conduct away from the weld.
The dialarc was state of the art in its day. Very expensive new machines offer inverter technology, square wave as opposed to sign wave current, adjustable frequency, adjustable ac balance.

How much you wanna spend?
 
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#32  
I won't go above 100.00$
 
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#34  
Machine sold for 575.00$
 
   / Miiler Machine #35  
$575 is a really good deal for that particular machine!

Willie B, you're over complicating it. A Dial-Arc 250 HF was never intended to be a top of the line TIG welder and was far from state of the art. It had a high frequency added to a standard Dial-Arc 250. Miller had much better TIG welders before the Dial-Arc 250 HF such as the AB/P series(made for Airco(Heli-Weld) and others as well) and then in the 70's introduced the Syncrowave(square wave) series. Lincoln had the Idealarc TIG 300/300, Hobart had the Cyber TIG, Linde had some good TIG(Heli-Arc) machines too. Other than the Syncrowave, these other machines weren't square wave either but were much better for AC TIG welding. The Dial-Arc HF was basically Millers entry level 250 amp AC/DC TIG machine in it's day if you wanted to do aluminum and didn't want a separate HF box. They also had 150 amp AC/DC HF that was discontinued in the 80's sometime. With the introduction of the new Syncrowave 250, the Dial-Arc 250 HF was discontinued around 1993. It's an excellent machine for anyone who wants to be able to do a wide variety of projects with different metals but for frequent use in a shop setting there are much better choices for TIG machines. It is a great choice if you can find one for the right price.
 
   / Miiler Machine #36  
$575 is a really good deal for that particular machine!

Willie B, you're over complicating it. A Dial-Arc 250 HF was never intended to be a top of the line TIG welder and was far from state of the art. It had a high frequency added to a standard Dial-Arc 250. Miller had much better TIG welders before the Dial-Arc 250 HF such as the AB/P series(made for Airco(Heli-Weld) and others as well) and then in the 70's introduced the Syncrowave(square wave) series. Lincoln had the Idealarc TIG 300/300, Hobart had the Cyber TIG, Linde had some good TIG(Heli-Arc) machines too. Other than the Syncrowave, these other machines weren't square wave either but were much better for AC TIG welding. The Dial-Arc HF was basically Millers entry level 250 amp AC/DC TIG machine in it's day if you wanted to do aluminum and didn't want a separate HF box. They also had a 150 amp AC/DC HF that was discontinued sometime in the early 80's. With the introduction of the new Syncrowave 250, the Dial-Arc 250 HF was discontinued around 1993. It's an excellent machine for anyone who wants to be able to do a wide variety of projects with different metals but for frequent use in a shop setting there are much better choices for TIG machines. It is a great choice if you can find one for the right price.
 
   / Miiler Machine #37  
I still haven't used it. Too much going on, and some uncertainty about coolant, as the garage only gets heat when people are there water isn't an option. Somewhere I've heard de ionized water. I was guessing because it was less prone to corrosion, someone suggested it was because of de ionized water being less conductive of electricity. I've ordered from Miller an anti freeze said to me a mix of ethelene glycol, and de ionized water. It hasn't arrived.

Does anyone know what to use?

There are tappings to connect a cooler to the welder itself. Does this machine have an internal water cooler? These tappings have plugs in them, they haven't been used.
 
   / Miiler Machine #38  
I know it, I'm a sick man. I've also just bought a Miller Bobcat 250 supposed to be a 2005 model year. It has an Onan twin 23 HP engine. It runs fine with the choke out a little. Push it in all the way it surges repeatedly. My son says he found someone in some forum talking about the intake manifold being cast iron with sheet metal "bonded to it". Is has been said these come apart and leak air between carburetor and cylinder. Does anyone know more?
 
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This thread is about a Welder that I was bidding on.
 

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