Mahindra vrs JD

DAP · Jul 9, 2004

That's fine Bob. And only a bozo would argue your definition of Performance.

My post was intended to line up the models in answer to a sentence in your previous post that ended with a question mark.

I also added for reference, that Mahindra as a brand did NOT incorporate last week.

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Bob_Skurka · Jul 9, 2004

doc, I think you have illustrate your point well. It is obviously not the "normal" relationship that most of us on TBN have seen with JD. I have similar relationships with 2 car dealerships and 1 truck dealership.

FLDave · Jul 9, 2004

That's exactly why I got rid of my VW Passat. Expensive and inadequate dealer maintenance. Excellent car but the dealer charged me $100.00 for oil changes and to check the fluids!?!? Some parts took as long as two weeks to get in and when they arrived they were the wrong parts!! And this is a major car manufacturer!!/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Like I said, it was a great car but the expensive routine maintenance began to make me hate it and when I wanted to trade it in I had one heck of a time finding a dealer that would give me a fair price for it (or even want it for that matter).

These are factors that will affect you. No maybe not in the beginning but when the warranty wears out you don't want to be on your own and at the mercy of bad or overpriced support.

Now I have a Dodge Diesel that takes 12 quarts of oil and the dealer charges me $49.95 for oil, filter, and inspection. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I usually do my own maintenace but its nice to know you will be taken care of if needed.

Mahindra looks like they have many big dealers in Texas, I'm in Florida though and have to take that into consideration when making a purchase.

To address the originator of the post, Joey you need to find a comfort level you can deal with. Look at your closest dealers and then look at the next closest dealers. It's aways good to have back-ups for support/maintenance and to get competive price quotes.

Good Luck on your decision.

cowboydoc · Jul 9, 2004

It is obviously not the "normal" relationship that most of us on TBN have seen with JD. 

Well to use your own quote Bob. And please take this with the humor it was meant. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I guess what I am saying is I don't give a rat's pitootie about somewhere else, I care about here, because here is what our reality is with regards to parts, service, models, etc.

Charlie_in_TX · Jul 9, 2004

( Charlie the only reason I got into this thread was because it said Mahindra vs. JD. I would think if this guy wanted a good comparison he would want to hear from both camps.
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Cowboy, I really don't care if you visit forums and give opinions. My problem comes from you trying to build up your brand by nocking another brand. Point out the good in yours all you want.

Bob_Skurka · Jul 9, 2004

( ( Charlie the only reason I got into this thread was because it said Mahindra vs. JD. I would think if this guy wanted a good comparison he would want to hear from both camps.
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Cowboy, I really don't care if you visit forums and give opinions. My problem comes from you trying to build up your brand by nocking another brand. Point out the good in yours all you want. )

Here is what Cowboydoc wrote:

 First of all compare apples to apples Charlie. The 2615 is NOT equivalent to the 4210. The 4210 is 28hp gross and 23 hp pto. The 2615 is 26 hp and 21 hp pto. To get to the same tractor you need to jump up to a 2810 to get 28 hp. Your pump flow is 3.5 gallons/minute and the 4210 is 5.3 gallons/minute for steering and 11.9 to 7.8 for the rest of the hydraulics, a huge difference. That equates to faster recycle times, faster loader times, and faster three point hitch times which equals more work in less time. As far as lift capacity on paper the 2615 has 500 more lbs. but I'm told that is because they use a different angle to measure it. That's very common. You see the same thing on loaders. There are numerous other factors as well. OH AND FYI the 4210 weighs MORE than the 2615 by 300 lbs.!!!! 

 It seems to me that Cowboydoc was pretty objective, laid out the information, and didn't take any pains to knock anything.

Charlie_in_TX · Jul 9, 2004

I do understand your relationship with your JD dealer. I know of no one outside the farming industry who has such a relationship. To assume that my JD dealer, or anyone elses on this forum, will treat you is just wrong. My family has spent over $80,000 at one JD dealer. One salesmen (the GM) for each sell. He/his company would not come out and sevice a 65hp tractor (I think it was a 6100 or 6110 4x4, cab, FEL). He would not allow my step-dad to pay a tech to come sevice it. He would only haul it in for $200 or allow his tech to come look at it after hours.

That is the way it is for us in the real tractor world. No repairmen drops what he is doing, loads up his tools, and comes to fix you equipment at any failure.

Bob_Skurka · Jul 9, 2004

( No repairmen drops what he is doing, loads up his tools, and comes to fix you equipment at any failure. )

Well not to speak for Cowboydoc, but my headlamp on my Ventrac burnt out. It is under warrenty. I was talking to the dealer about something completely different and he asked about the tractor. I told him the fuse for the headlight blew several times, I told him I suspected a dead ground. He told me he would drive down to fix it. It is a 7 hour drive from Central Lawn & Turf in the middle of Wisconsin to drive to the outskirts of Lowell, Indiana.

I told him not to bother, I don't use that tractor in the dark. He told me if anything else happens he'd come down, pick up the machine, get it & the light fixed and get it back to me.

Charlie_in_TX · Jul 9, 2004

You need to go a little futher back. Cowboy claimed a tractor from the big 3 cost less than a Mahindra or Kioti. I am requesting he backup his words with actions . So far he has chosen to get bogged down in the minutia of the diffenrce (which are slight) instead of the cost (which his large).

One question for you. Cowboy is a big boy. He has been able to state his opinion quite well in this thread and in the past. Why the need to protect him?

Bob_Skurka · Jul 9, 2004

Charlie, there was just this exact discussion on both the New Holland and the Chinese Tractor threads. A guy named GOATMAN picked up a brands spanking new N.H. TC30 because it cost less than anything else he could find, including the stripped down, minimal warrently, shoddily put together, but basically sound Chinese machines.

SteveH_CT · Jul 9, 2004

( That is the way it is for us in the real tractor world. No repairmen drops what he is doing, loads up his tools, and comes to fix you equipment at any failure. )

Whoa Charlie - That's a pretty blanket statement. For my part - I've got a great dealer who not only comes out for repairs on my machine, but will send someone out on my FIL's old 1050. Pick-up and delivery is free for me, at least during the warranty period - although I have to say I didn't get charged for having my FIL's 1050 transported either. I've bought one tractor from these folks... my 4310... well under $30g's spent there and I've received top notch service. He even came out one night after work to show me how to drop the BH off my tractor again (I had forgotten).

I can't say everyone get's this level of service at other dealers - I don't even know if I get exceptional service from this dealer - but I am for sure in the group that enjoys a great relationship with his dealer. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Durbob · Jul 9, 2004

OK, maybe i'm way off here on comparisons. Our local Ohio auto and RV paper has some tractor ads in it and one dealer has a JD 2210 4wd with a 210 loader and 62" mmm for $11,999.00. They have a 790 4wd with a 6' finish mower and FEL for $14,990.00. They don't say they are hst, so they probably aren't. One Kioti dealer is advertising a CK20 FEL ind. tires and hydro for $12,495.00. Another Kioti dealer is advertising CK25 hydro with FEL and r4 tires for $14,200.00. That Kioti dealer also sells Lenar Chinese tractors and he is selling a 25 hp lenar shuttle shift with FEL for $14,100.00. The tractor by itself sells for $10,600.00 Let me see here...is the Kioti worth $100.00 more than the Lenar? What's wrong with this picture?

Bob_Skurka · Jul 9, 2004

one dealer has a JD 2210 4wd with a 210 loader and 62" mmm for $11,999.00. They have a 790 4wd with a 6' finish mower and FEL for $14,990.00. They don't say they are hst, so they probably aren't. 

 I'm not positive, but I think all the 2210s are HST???

cowboydoc · Jul 9, 2004

When I bought my 5420 last year there was nobody even close to what Deere gave me for a price on it, not to mention that you can't even get a cab with mahindra. Just for a base tractor Deere was the cheapest. I have given you all the facts. It's not my fault you choose to ignore them. I have no idea what a comparable tractor to the 4210 would cost from Mahindra. However your tractor was not comparable to a 4210. It is one or two classes lower. Your hydraulics are half of the 4210 and that is not something to brush off. Give me a price apple for apple on a tractor that IS comparable to the 4210 and then we can talk. Personally I would never have a use for that little tractor so I haven't researched them. But I know dang good and well in the utility tractor segment for my area Deere is cheaper.

Also as far as nobody outside the farming industry that is not true here either. I have sent numerous people to the dealer that I do business with. Everyone I sent has been treated with the same respect, courtesy, and professional service.

DiskDoctr · Jul 11, 2004

( I have sent numerous people to the dealer that I do business with. Everyone I sent has been treated with the same respect, courtesy, and professional service.)

Richard,

This is good to hear. There really is no reason ANYONE should expect or settle for anything less from ANY brand or dealer.

I've used my neighbor's JD (small) and he's used my Case (large). I chose a Mahindra in the middle. Between all three, we get basically everything we want done /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I looked at some JDs. I could've looked harder, but sometimes you find something that just seems to suit your needs and "taste."

I think that is why there isn't any right answer here. It's about taste, not what's better. It's the same reason there is more than one vehicle mfg and diverse models from each.

I do think it is helpful to all to understand the model and feature comparisons across brands. This can be confusing sometimes... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Again, I think nothing of jumping on his JD to use his backhoe (I didn't get one with the Mahindra, as I have the large one on the Case 580k), and it does a great job.

So my suggestion to anyone looking at different brands is to do just that- look at different brands. Get the size, features, and implements you need, then suit your budget and your taste. After all, you're gonna spend a lot of time looking at it over the years /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-JC

To20Chris · Jul 11, 2004

Bob, I understand what you are saying, but there is perhaps some value in knowing how a company has performed elsewhere. It gives you some idea of their potential, how big an organization they are, and a further clue as to if they will be around tomorrow. I'd certainly rather buy from a newcommer that has been sucsessful world-wide than one who's never pulled it off anywhere!

rback33 · Jul 12, 2004

I have been quietly watching the thread go, and I must say that it is my opinion that it has long overstayed its welcome. I for one am sick and tired of some of the bickering going back and forth. The majority of the posts are positive and polite, but not all. I think many would agree with me that it is time to lock this thread, agree to disagree, and move on. I swear, I am beginning to wonder how long it will be till I hear, "Well, my dad is bigger than your dad!" /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

DiskDoctr · Jul 12, 2004

RBack33,

Not to disagree, but I have found a lot of the exchange helpful.

I would rather hear from "true believers" of a product to give me their candid opinions, flavored with how strongly they believe it, than to read only neutral specs- we can get that from any company brochure.

As is normal, "true believers" feel strongly about their opinions and that's a good thing as long as everyone brings facts with them.

Sometimes we have to take the accompanying rhetoric with a grain of salt to get to the meat of the matter. That's where a free exchange like this thread comes in handy.

Some feel more strongly about things than others, and we're not all great writers, so sometimes we all get frustrated. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I do agree that there is never a justification for a personal attack. Not saying there was any in this thread, just thought I should be clear to make that point /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

-JC

PS- Don't anybody flame me. If what I write sounds stupid, it probably is /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif It is never meant as impolite, so just remember, I'm not a very bright guy so give me the benfit of the doubt and take it the way it was intended /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Thanks!

Bob_Skurka · Jul 12, 2004

I'm actually really curious where the original poster stands on this whole thread. Early on in the discussion the thread seemed to veer off target, and based on the original post, the tractor size discussed seemed to be in the 30hp range. But the tasks discussed really were better handled by a much larger machine size. Cutting in a brand new driveway of any length is not something I would want to do with a 30hp tractor unless I had a LOT of time on my hands and nothing better to do with it. On the other hand, mowing the lawn with a tractor much larger than a 30hp machine is not really very high on the list of desirable things to do either.

Then we seemed to go off into a tangent about regional tractor pricing and how us guys lucky enough to live in he midwest get lower prices on Big 3 brands than some of the east & west coast guys get on 2nd Tier brands, but that of course, has nothing to do with the questions at hand.

So really, did we even help the original poster?

DAP · Jul 12, 2004

( I'm actually really curious where the original poster stands on this whole thread. ....

but that of course, has nothing to do with the questions at hand.

So really, did we even help the original poster? )

Original Question: I am more concerned with more for the money than a name brand.