Looked and finally bought

[Kendall69]

,,Gee, Kendall...ya trying to be a rabble rouser?

NO, I would love a thread to stay on point. The point of this thread was what pholt, purchased and why he purchased, and how he came to that conclusion.

Then the whole thread was taken over AS USUAL, by what’s made in America.

Now, what does what pholt said about his purchase have to do with what is or isn’t made in America.

People should be ashamed of themselves. A guy comes here to share his excitement, and finds himself DEFENDING his purchase with a pack of wolves. Next time you all buy something we'll be sure to pile on and make you defend your purchase.

..I agree it was mostly my fault, I like what I bought,

Absolutely NOT your fault pholt. I found your research quite enlightening, so much in fact that I just called the dealer, and will be going to look at the TYM 603 this week.

Dealer said fully loaded with a pro top and tilt Gannon box, and loader around 35k OR LESS.

So what you did was great, that’s that’s why I come here - not to hear what others yak about when they hijack your valuable info and start bloviating on the virtues of buying American ( insert Star Spangle banner theme song here )

I’m as American as the next guy, but that ship has left the dock, in 1974, never to return.

We all know nothing is 100% U.S.A., lets leave it at that and move on.

So, Pholt thanks for you valuable info.

Still have doubts...

John Deere

 

[Erik_in_Hoyt]

PHolt,
just so you know, I liked your assessment that started all this. I went through a similar process before I bought my tractor last year. I loved the TYM's as well, but didn't have a dealer anywhere close, so I ended up with my Century (Branson). It's been a joy to use, much like I expect yours to be.
Don't be discouraged - there are a lot of good guys in this forum with good answers and advice. It's also a good place to brag about what you're doing with your new purchase. You just hit a nerve on this first post with some who have lost track of what the purpose is here on TBN - or at least what I thought the purpose was when I joined a year ago. Help the other guy out.

Any time you get more than 2 people exchanging opinions, you're going to end up with a fight on your hands. It doesn't mean the forum is a bad thing, you just have to take the other guys' opinions with a grain of salt.
I didn't hear you tell anyone else their machines were junk or that the one you picked was inherently better than theirs (or theirs inherently worse)becuase of the name plate on the front or the country of origin stamped on the side. You said: I looked at AB&C, compared XY&Z between them and came up with this choice.
Your "mistake" was to reply and hit a sore spot when someone else started in with: "I never buy from "fillinthe blank" because I won't buy something made in "country dujour" and pointed out to them that almost nothing is made with purely American parts any more. Again, opinions matter more to some folks than others.

Good luck and enjoy your new purchase - I'm sure it wil be of great service over the next several years!

Oh, and Kendall69 - I don't know you from Adam, but I appreciate your stance when wading in on this, as well!

 

[BobG_in_VA]

I'm thinkin' that if some folks spend as much time on their tractors as they do on their keyboards, the tractors will need overhauls in less than 6 months....now, lets move on,,,no one needs to call Deere, no one needs to go to Korea to find out what's made where. Everyone makes their own decisions their own way. I know I did. BobG in VA

 

[pholt]

I was just sharing not trying to make people mad, but i dont take lightly to being called a lier. And I do not think I was biased towards any tractors. IF I had money to burn I probably would have bought the New Holland, since it did everything but wipe your butt.

Hey guys how about this. Why dont the moderators of this board put up a Fact or fiction section. I , well my Dad seriously knows a ton about this stuff and knows
many people behind Mahogany doors in this business, I can get the truthful answers to most of our questions, I love to know the real truth, not the
he said she said crap. My dad is in his 70's and has lots to share, he has lived the Farming and Oil boom in Tulsa, OK and has seen it all go by.

I inadvertently made a comment that ruffled feathers, but I hope we all learned something, we are not always right, now matter how firmly we believe or how much we know. I agree with Kendall, I am american through and through, but I gave up on that dream. The American Dream turned into the American Greed, even if it is made here, the parent company, is probably in Bora Bora so they dont pay taxes anyway. The America That my dad grew up in is gone.

 

[pholt]

Oh boy deere went China, I am leaving....

Still have doubts...

John Deere

 

[RoyJackson]

Oh boy deere went China, I am leaving....

Deere's been international long time. Just an expansion into a new market.

Good thing? For the stock holders...but the erosion of manufacturing in the US is not a good thing. We'll pay for it sooner or later...

You ruffled feathers when you said Deere had tanked, which wasn't the case. Even during recessions, Deere survived in reasonably good shape (probably better then the automakers did, for the most part). And, I didn't see anyone wrote you were lying...maybe not really knowing what you're talking about sometimes...but not a liar.
As a subcontractor, we followed the ups and downs of the customers (Deere, Cat, Harley). I'm no longer with that company, but it's still in York and still doing well. And, still making product for Deere and Cat (others too, but those two are the biggies)

 

[aesanders]

NO, I would love a thread to stay on point. The point of this thread was what pholt, purchased and why he purchased, and how he came to that conclusion.

Then the whole thread was taken over AS USUAL, by what’s made in America.

Now, what does what pholt said about his purchase have to do with what is or isn’t made in America.

People should be ashamed of themselves. A guy comes here to share his excitement, and finds himself DEFENDING his purchase with a pack of wolves. Next time you all buy something we'll be sure to pile on and make you defend your purchase.



Absolutely NOT your fault pholt. I found your research quite enlightening, so much in fact that I just called the dealer, and will be going to look at the TYM 603 this week.

Dealer said fully loaded with a pro top and tilt Gannon box, and loader around 35k OR LESS.

So what you did was great, that’s that’s why I come here - not to hear what others yak about when they hijack your valuable info and start bloviating on the virtues of buying American ( insert Star Spangle banner theme song here )

I’m as American as the next guy, but that ship has left the dock, in 1974, never to return.

We all know nothing is 100% U.S.A., lets leave it at that and move on.

So, Pholt thanks for you valuable info.

Still have doubts...

John Deere

Kendall, I don't see at all where anyone bad mouthed the decison that pholt made. All that I did was point out some of the mistakes he made about Hitachi owning Deere etc. Other's pointed out the mistake he made about Mahindra being a Korean comany etc.

It sounds to me he made a good buying decision for himself, but that doesn't mean that you have to make a bunch of false claims about other companies at the same time. He isn't the only one that grew up around all kinds of machinery big and small. Saying John Deere doesn't make anything under 100hp here is just flat out wrong. Last time I checked all the lawn and garden equipment were made here and a considerable amount of the 4000 series was made in the U.S. Not that it really matters anyway. I just bought a Korean made car so I will buy whatever.

P.S. I see where Massey's name was brought up repeatedly. This former European founded Company now owned by the American based company Agco has most if not all of it's CUTS made by Iseki in Japan. Case/New Holland (owned by the Italian Fiat Group) CUTS are made in Japan by Shiburo(spelling?). All these companies are global companies now with parts and pieces made all over the place.

 

[pholt]

Now here you go calling me a Liar again, I said tractors, and there is no John deere tractors (TRACTOR) under 100 h.p. made in the USA, do not call me liar when you dont have a clue. And I said Hitachi ownes a Piece of Deere, and I heard it WAS LARGE, so I can not proove they do and you can not proove they dont, so were at an impass, your wrong I am wrong. I told you I thought on the Mahindra, and I was mistken on Case and IH. Someone built post war machines for Case or IH, in Korea, you find out, since you know everything I dont.

I am done arguing with foolish people, here is the contact for John Deere Corporate Engine works (yes only one of 3 in the world)
Here name is LYNETT DICKENSON The number is 319-292-5643
THIS IS THE DIRECT NUMBER TO JOHN DEERE ENGINE WORKS That you have no access to and I must have just GUESSED, IN WATERLOO IOWA, CALL IT, ASK GET CORRECTED, AND STOP TALKING.

DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR AGAIN. And do people especially new people on this site a favor, check your facts before you type. I am 100% right. Now stop. I prooved it just let it go. Make the call and be polite it is a business not myth busters, for gods sake. My dad is going to love me now. Giving some persona a non-published John Deere corporate number. Call it ask, post the truth and shutup.

And you bring Massey into it, did I say Massey was made here? NO, Did I ever NO. But I did say and stand behind that no John Deere (Tractor, not push mower lawn mower or blender)(this is tractorbynet, not lawnmowerbynet right)? under 100 h.p. is made (AND I HAVE DEFINED MADE SEVERAL TIMES) inside of the United States, call the number let the truth set you free, I see that only John Deere owners are upset, who CARES. Your cousin Bill did not make it.

Kendall, I don't see at all where anyone bad mouthed the decison that pholt made. All that I did was point out some of the mistakes he made about Hitachi owning Deere etc. Other's pointed out the mistake he made about Mahindra being a Korean comany etc.

It sounds to me he made a good buying decision for himself, but that doesn't mean that you have to make a bunch of false claims about other companies at the same time. He isn't the only one that grew up around all kinds of machinery big and small. Saying John Deere doesn't make anything under 100hp here is just flat out wrong. Last time I checked all the lawn and garden equipment were made here and a considerable amount of the 4000 series was made in the U.S. Not that it really matters anyway. I just bought a Korean made car so I will buy whatever.

P.S. I see where Massey's name was brought up repeatedly. This former European founded Company now owned by the American based company Agco has most if not all of it's CUTS made by Iseki in Japan. Case/New Holland (owned by the Italian Fiat Group) CUTS are made in Japan by Shiburo(spelling?). All these companies are global companies now with parts and pieces made all over the place.

 

[aesanders]

Pholt, I never called you a liar, just mistaken. Get over yourself already.

 

[BillyP]

but once John Deere was bought out by Hitachi, it was all over,

pholt, you seem to be a knowledgeable guy. You bought what you thought was best for your buck. But when making statements like that you really need to be careful how you word it.

 

[flusher]

P.S. I see where Massey's name was brought up repeatedly. This former European founded Company now owned by the American based company Agco has most if not all of it's CUTS made by Iseki in Japan. Case/New Holland (owned by the Italian Fiat Group) CUTS are made in Japan by Shiburo(spelling?). All these companies are global companies now with parts and pieces made all over the place.

Massey was founded by Daniel Massey and Alanson Harris and was incorporated as the Massey-Harris Company in 1891 in Canada, not Europe. The company became Massey-Harris-Ferguson in August 1953.

But a two-line policy was followed for the next five years: Massey-Harris and Massey-Ferguson. The Massey-Harris line was dropped in late 1958 and the company name became Massey-Ferguson.

AGCO of Duluth, Georgia acquired Massey Ferguson in 1994.

 

[aesanders]

For some reason I thought it was England...

 

[swines]

While I'm sure your father is a Deere expert with many year's association with the products, dealers, etc. - it is possible to get a bit confused about international business, joint ventures, etc.

In carefully reading several of the John Deere Annual Reports, there is a information on the Joint Venture between Hitachi and John Deere listed under "Unconsolidated Affiliated Companies."

The listing is for Deere-Hitachi Construction Machinery Corporation, of which John Deere owns 50%. Notice - it is a complete and separate corporation - i.e. a "joint venture" between the two companies.

This hardly constitutes Hitachi "owning John Deere," or even owning a portion of John Deere. Unconsolidated Affiliated Companies are business ventures between companies that may include manufacturing, distribution, or both.

This has been a joint venture between the companies since 1988. It's a fairly complex arrangement with sales and marketing in north, central, and south america of forestry and construction equipment.

The Deere-Hitachi Construction Machinery Corporation headquarters are located in Kernersville, NC. They have production facilities in North Carolina and Saltillo, Mexico.

Just a small amount of time spent looking in the right places....and you actually get....facts....

 

[pholt]

Did you call John Deere, no, your wrong I am not mistaken. It is funny how the subject changes. Just forget it and live in a bubble.

Pholt, I never called you a liar, just mistaken. Get over yourself already.

 

[pholt]

My comment was made in GEST, I know the public records, as I did quote i saw it on Edgar. I am not worried about who or who'm ownes the largest part of John Deere, and I dont belive I have brought that up in some time, it was a comment in GEST. The problem is that several people on this site are calling me a liar, or such, I provided a un-published number to John Deeres ONLY US FOUNDRY, so every person could ask those nice folks if they make any under 100 h.p tractors here and they will kindly tell you they do not, but no one has called and posted that, they just keep on slinging lies.
You are right how I worded that Hitachi statement was wrong and I admit it. But who on this list is man enough to admit I am right, no one so far and I provided the proof. I love it.

pholt, you seem to be a knowledgeable guy. You bought what you thought was best for your buck. But when making statements like that you really need to be careful how you word it.

 

[Harvey7]

Pholt


It looks like you did your homework before making your purchase, I hope you enjoy the TYM. I enjoyed reading your review.

Did you look at the Kioti ??

Harvey

 

[pholt]

Swines I like your reply, finally one with some facts in it. Do you know what Edgar online is?
Someone bailed John Deere out of some serious financial woes just about the time John Deere and Hitachi announced there "join ventures" It is rumored in the Finance and ag industry that Hitachi put up the boot. I seriously doubt John deere is going to put in there public records " Hey were taking a large cash infusion for consolidations to Hitachi on the backside". Who knows, someone paid the bills, but it does not matter I am sorry I said that in gest. Your are right I have no proof, I am wrong, without proof there is no point in saying it.

My father is by no means a expert he is a farmer that had farms large enought, that he deals with the FACTORY, not the dealers. IF you want mis-information call any dealer and that is the source to get it. Now my dad retired years ago, but this was his love and like I said he was at the John Deere factory last week, trying to pull some strings for a friend.

While I'm sure your father is a Deere expert with many year's association with the products, dealers, etc. - it is possible to get a bit confused about international business, joint ventures, etc.

 

[pholt]

Yes I did! And I REALLY LIKED the KIOTI!!! Did I not put the Kioti on the list. Oh I did not I forgot, yes I drove it too. They say the Kioti is smaller than the TYM and it is not, it is shorter I think, but it is wider. The Kioti was at the top of my list. But the main reason I did not buy it was the closest dealer was 4 hours away, and that was just too far.

But the Kioti was very close in comparison as far as stats. I felt the TYM with the Kubota engine had a little more going for it, I also called the Kioti dealer and asked him to tell me why the Kioti was better than the TYM, and he said quote "The TYM is a VERY good tractor", then he told me the Kioti was heavier and it was not, he told me the Kioti had more options it in fact did not. The kioti was a 12 speed, the TYM was 16, it has 3 sets of remotes and so on.

I am not a TYM CHEERLEADER GUYS, I dont even know that much about it, **** I dont know where the air filter is at this point. BUT I DO KNOW when I speced them out it came with the most bang for the buck, PERIOD, now it might be a ROLLING STEAMY PILE OF DOG ****, I guess I am in it and I will find out
When I bought my Agricat, I was nothing but pleased with it, now it did not have a toaster like the New Holland, but it was a tractor and it did tractor like jobs all day long and absolutly sipped fuel. So I took the chance on the TYM, (and the TYM is night and day compared to a Jimna)and with a 5 year warranty, I honestly do not see where I can go wrong, they could go under, but they have been in business for 40 years so I will have to take that chance. The Kioti was nice and I would say it is very close to the build of the TYM, and they can be had for the same price, actually the KIOTI was a few grand cheaper.

Harvey this is the Kioti I looked at the actual tractor, it was slick, now one thing I did not like was the overhead lights everytime you go under a tree those puppies are going to be pointing at the moon, I try to look for little things like that, if you notice the TYM lights are protected, it is stupid and small, but i took my time and tried to find all those things that JUST PISS YOU OFF, over time.

Pholt


It looks like you did your homework before making your purchase, I hope you enjoy the TYM. I enjoyed reading your review.

Did you look at the Kioti ??

Harvey

 

[pholt]

Harvey this is the Kioti I looked at the actual tractor, it was slick, now one thing I did not like was the overhead lights everytime you go under a tree those puppies are going to be pointing at the moon, I try to look for little things like that, if you notice the TYM lights are protected, it is stupid and small, but i took my time and tried to find all those things. The Kioti and the TYM are VERY similar, I like the front tires on the Kioti better. And that was a **** nice loader on the Kioti, I was told the Humpeloc was better, but the Kioti looked better. The loader I have will lift more and higher, per the specs? And is easier to take off. And he was not sure if the loader was skid steer compatible and I forgot to look Guys Skid steer compatability is HUGE, when buying implements, they are cheaper. MUCH.

 

[pholt]

Oh, sorry for another post but just trying to help Harvey. Harvey, one more reason I bought the TYM and did not even notice it, they do not have quick dis-connect buckets, that is huge to me also, and I did not even notice. Look at the pic. Guys quick attach is not cheap. And with TYM it is standard, GO TYM,,, sorry. I just get more excited to think I actually bought something and it has more than I had wished for. Usually I buy something and find the guy across the street paid half as much and his has all the stuff I want. AND if you look at the seat and steering wheel from this post of a DK65, they are awful similar, are KIOTI and TYM OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE. I was kidding but there are similarities. I wonder if those armrest will fit my seat, **** it is the same. I just double checked some pictures and this is the same seat top that is in my TYM, that means are-rest can be had. Now how to get them. That is my one complaint inside.

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