Loader Vs, Big Dirt Scoop?

[jyoutz]

I didn't mean to say the scoop has more capacity than the loader. I meant to say that I use the scoop and loader together to really increase my materials handling capacity. By the way, I do understand the $ factor. That's why I bought and used a $150 used scoop for a year and a half until I could afford the loader. Using a loader and mower together is not the point when I talked about aftermarket loaders. The point is that with loaders other than the 410, you will have to dissamble the entire loader subframe after you detach the loader, BEFORE you can attach the mower subframe parts. And then vice-versa. That is why the 410 is so superior and the aftermarket brands don't even warrent consideration in my book. If however I did not have or use a mid mount mower, then many aftermarket loaders are great pieces of equipment and I would consider purchasing one.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=blue>...I guess I should bail and get a small scoop now for a cheap price and save up my pennies for a FEL...</font color=blue>

Eureka...!

Best idea yet... you can talk about it for the next 6 months... -what, if, maybe, when, & how - or buy the cheapy and be using it to get some work done now... /w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[Bob_Trevithick]

<font color=blue>...Also a 36 inch scoop will work well too on a normally aspirated 4100, but since my 4100 is , ..etc. ./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif</font color=blue>

Nuru, sorry if I missed this before, but what is the output of your turbo 4100? Or, if you haven't had it on a dyno, what is your best guess?

Thanks,
Bob

 

[CSAW]

There was a thread about all the uses of a loader with pictures and all. I could not find it, maybe someone else can.

Tell the scfo that you need it to do that whatever project she has been wanting you to do.

My wife wants new carpet. Anyone know a new implement that might help with that?

 

[TerryinMD]

CSAW,

Yep... either a scarifier or a cultivator to help remove the older carpet quickly!! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Terru

 

[TresCrows]

I think he said he had 40 horsepower and in any case he has more horsepower than you, he,he.
I am going with a nitro system or supercharger. Actually, I have a source for a small 100 plus horsepower APU turbine engine, it weighs about 100 lbs, actually about 50 bare but I will need a reduction drive so I can lower output RPM to be compatible with my HST. I will use a Ford rear differential as the basis of the reduction. I will also install a diff locker from High Desert Products so I can lock all four wheels up like on my little 'oyota. I figure duals on the rear should also be helpful and about 500 lbs of ballast permenately set under the battery and subframe plus concrete in the wheels. I need a rear case from an L4600 if anyone has one laying about. Where should I place the air intake to the turbine, I built a particle seperator for a aircraft project once so that is the easy part. The exhaust may also be a problem, maybe I can use that to drive the seed spreader or--hey--- a hover tractor----yeah, yeah, now that is the ticket, a hover tractor, hmmmmmmm.
Oh, at flight idle that will be about 140 horsepower, constant RPM, nothing like the whine of a turbine, diesels are for wussies.
Wait, I could go turbine electric, buy a big generator at Home Depot and junk the Briggs and hook it up to the turbine and then get a big electric motor from an old commercial duty washing machine and hook that up to the HST. I think I am on to something here but I am going to have to reinforce that loader for sure.
J

 

[Anonymous Poster]

/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

J...................
...........................
.................................

.......Can I quote you on that....? /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

 

[Bob_Trevithick]

<font color=blue>...The exhaust may also be a problem, maybe I can use that to drive the seed spreader or--hey--- a hover tractor----yeah, yeah, now that is the ticket, a hover tractor, hmmmmmmm.
Oh, at flight idle that will be about 140 horsepower, constant RPM, nothing like the whine of a turbine, diesels are for wussies.</font color=blue>

Mark Chaukley.. Red Alert.. Red Alert!!! We may have someone here who is challenging your status as Most Extreme Modifier of Equipment! LOL! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=blue>... I figure duals on the rear should also be helpful and about 500 lbs of ballast permenately set under the battery and subframe plus concrete in the wheels. ..</font color=blue>

J,

This is that secret project that Kubota commissioned- you're doing on the Kubota BX before the brother-in-law gets it... right...? /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=red>...Red Alert.. Red Alert!!! ...</font color=red>

Bob...

Nuru will need this alert if he spends $800 for that 60" wide 3-point Dirt scoop... and then tries to use it... FULL...! /w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif

 

[Nuru]

Tres, Oh i get it, i just trying to get something in the interim, till i get a loader or can afford a loader, I should say.

 

[Nuru]

jyoutz, Yes I did understand what you meant about everything except for the amount of material in the scoop. The 410 is the loader of choice at this point.

 

[Nuru]

50 HP in my mind LOL! Not a Turbo Yet!

 

[Nuru]

Hey John, that 60" scoop actually will work, The guys say it is rated for about 500 pounds of material, so ..etc. it also can get a high lift kit that will raise it about 40 inches, so it can load something on a small truck. But at $1500 for the scoop and the high lift kit is too much, puts me too close to the loader category.

 

[jyoutz]

Actually John, the 60" scoop would probably work. What's the difference between a 60" scoop on a 3 ph that is rated to lift 930 lbs. and a 60" bucket on a loader that's rated to lift 880 lbs.?

 

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=blue>…But at $1500 for the scoop and the high lift kit is too much, puts me too close to the loader category….</font color=blue>

My feelings exactly… /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

<font color=blue>… What's the difference between a 60" scoop…and a 60" bucket on a loader…</font color=blue>

Hi Jim...

First off… absolutely nothing… 60” is 60”
Second… scoop price is approaching loader {starts to become a no-brainer}
Third… placement & usage of implement
Fourth…buy the 30” scoop for $159. now and start using it versus $800 or $1500. and keep talking about it and never buying or doing anything…
Fifth… looking at this somewhat logically?… how much weight do you think you possibly want to carry/move with a 1600 lb. Tractor… whether it’s using a loader or scoop…?
Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, Ninth, Tenth… Mostly I’m busting Nuru’s chops… but… instead of buying the Front blade attachment on day one as Nuru did… I would had opt’ed for the loader and a rear blade at the beginning for a few dollars more… {but then again, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and all this fun now… would we…?} /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[jinman]

<font color=blue>how much weight do you think you possibly want to carry/move with a 1600 lb. Tractor… whether it’s using a loader or scoop…?</font color=blue>

John, the only tractor accident I ever witnessed was my father using a 30" dirt scoop behind a Ferguson TO-20. He was digging a trench and got the scoop full. When he exited the end of the trench, the front of the tractor continued to lift. One rear wheel got traction while the other started spinning and really quickly the front end swung around 180º and he was going back the way he had just came from, but with two wheels in the trench and two on the shoulder. He jumped just as the tractor started to roll and landed on the bank in front of me as the tractor rolled over on top of him. I watched in horror as my dad was crushed under the tractor. I managed to shut the tractor off and, with some adrenalin help, rolled it off of him. Other neighbors had been watching and came immediately to help, but my father had several broken ribs, a broken arm, and a bruised heart. He spent six months in the hospital and recovery. The rest of his life, he had a metal plate holding a bone in his right arm together.

Your comments are so true it makes me shudder just remembering that tractor swinging around with the front wheels in the air. A 30" scoop is plenty big for a 1,600# tractor. If you are lucky and careful, you may not kill yourself with it. ...my two cents.

Is Nuru in this picture?

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Jim…

I’m so very sorry to hear about your Father’s accident… It had to be absolutely horrifying to stand by helplessly and watch…

There are so many times when you “think” you are doing all the right things and even going by the “book” and out of the blue- an accident happens so quickly… in a blink of an eye… sometimes by the grace of God you walk away intact… but the majority of the time with farm equipment you don’t…

 

[forestcreature]

bale spear! [for the carpet moving]

 

[forestcreature]

remember that there are different sizes of buckets for the 410 too.