Flail Mower Let's talk flail mowers

[leonz]

So I have two flails I wouldn't mind selling. One is a Mott that has some rust and needs a bearing for the rear roller. Aside from that it still cuts well. I used it today to make sure it still works and it's great.

Being no one seems to want to buy it (at least yet), It there anything else I could take it apart and use the gearbox for?

I also have a ford 907 but it's to sound of condition to dismantle

What have people turned their flails into

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Hello KenB2920,


Going in the reverse so to speak, the majority of flail mower builders in Italy like Maschio, Peruggini, Caroni, Peruzzo and others also build rototillers using the same basic design and changing belt drive for chain drive.

I would not worry too much as the price for new out of the show room flails of that size without dethatching blades in the middle of the knife pairs are over to 8KUSD or more so hold tight as you will have a buyer soon I am sure. Your Mott can also carry the dethatching blades too.

 

[CTWright]

Wish you were closer to me. I drove over 600 miles for each of my flails. I'm probably one of 2 or 3 guys in the state with a flail mower. I could always use another!

 

[Jelf]

I just talked to Agrisupply and asked if I could order a Caroni flail with the P rotor. The gal I spoke with said "no". She said they only sell Caroni's with the B rotor and do not accept special orders.

Assuming I was told correctly, does anyone know how to order a Caroni with the P rotor?

Joseph

 

[IslandTractor]

From what I can tell, it looks like the P rotor is pretty much the B rotor but with scoop/hammers rather than clevis/blades. You might consider just ordering the B rotor version that AgriSupply does carry and then purchase scoop blades from Flailmaster. So long as the Flailmaster hammers/scoops fit between the Caroni mounts there really shouldn't be any issue if you replace all of them at once. Then you can sell the unused Caroni B blades and clevises to folks here on TBN. A full set of 56 blades and 28 clevises is worth something like $300-400 retail.

In this era of cheap overseas phone rates, the other option is to call Caroni in Italy or contact them via email. Errore! Pagina non trovata - Caroni SpA It might take a couple of calls before you reach someone who both speaks English and can provide sales info but I am not aware of any dealer other than AgriSupply. There have been other dealers in the US so I don't believe AgriSupply has some exclusive marketing agreement. Dave of Dave's Tractors in CA used to carry Caroni if I recall correctly. I don't believe he carries them anymore but he might give you some hints about how to find another dealer. He hangs out in the Mahindra forum. I would also consider buying one of the other Italian made mowers. Just as Caroni is similar to Woods, there are Italian versions of Rhino, Landpride and Bush Hog who each make competitive flail mowers.

 

[Jelf]

From what I can tell, it looks like the P rotor is pretty much the B rotor but with scoop/hammers rather than clevis/blades. You might consider just ordering the B rotor version that AgriSupply does carry and then purchase scoop blades from Flailmaster.

I may very well do this and keep the original clevis/blades in case my neighbors with overgrown pastures want to hire me to do some mowing.

It was mentioned way back in this monster thread, but here again is the thread where someone put duck foot type scoop/hammers on a 'B' rotor and raved about the finish cut. This thread includes the Flail Master part # for the duck feet.
Caroni TM1900 Flail Mower... - OrangeTractorTalks - Everything Kubota

Finally, my thanks to all who took the time to share their knowledge in this thread.:thumbsup:

 

[leonz]

I just talked to Agrisupply and asked if I could order a Caroni flail with the P rotor. The gal I spoke with said "no". She said they only sell Caroni's with the B rotor and do not accept special orders.

Assuming I was told correctly, does anyone know how to order a Caroni with the P rotor?

Joseph

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Just understand that the P rotor scoop knives are not cast hammers they are shaped, formed, then hardened.

The Scoop knives/hammers on the Landpride flail mowers are cast hardened steel


GGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Call Them Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, ask for Rodney Barbour and tell him that Leon Z sent you to him for a flail mower with a P rotor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They buy them by the container load and a different model will not be a big deal to bring across the pond.

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Short of that;

The Land Pride Flail Mowers are Maschio Vineyard And Orchard Flail Mowers with a trash door that opens and locks in place and allows the end user to mow heavy thick brush without plugging.

I get so tired of hearing this person telling people that they will not order a flail mower of a different type for a customer as the orders are typically paid for in advance with some models in stock along with spare parts.

Talk to Rodney Barbour please.

GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IslandTractor]

I may very well do this and keep the original clevis/blades in case my neighbors with overgrown pastures want to hire me to do some mowing.

It was mentioned way back in this monster thread, but here again is the thread where someone put duck foot type scoop/hammers on a 'B' rotor and raved about the finish cut. This thread includes the Flail Master part # for the duck feet.
Caroni TM1900 Flail Mower... - OrangeTractorTalks - Everything Kubota

Finally, my thanks to all who took the time to share their knowledge in this thread.:thumbsup:

Sounds like a plan but be aware that changing out the knives on a Caroni is not a particularly pleasant job. The Caroni supplied stock bolts are about half and inch longer than necessary for the locknut and with use nearly always have damaged threads. That means vigorous effort with a couple of spanners is necessary to remove them. My 3/8" air ratchet is not up to the job. By the time you have removed all 28 your forearms will be putty. I finally learned not to use Caroni metric bolts and use Flailmaster supplied bolts that are just one thread longer than the locknuts.

 

[LouieJunior]

Sounds like a plan but be aware that changing out the knives on a Caroni is not a particularly pleasant job. The Caroni supplied stock bolts are about half and inch longer than necessary for the locknut and with use nearly always have damaged threads. That means vigorous effort with a couple of spanners is necessary to remove them. My 3/8" air ratchet is not up to the job. By the time you have removed all 28 your forearms will be putty. I finally learned not to use Caroni metric bolts and use Flailmaster supplied bolts that are just one thread longer than the locknuts.

I bought my Caroni replacement blades from Flail Master -- but not the bolts. Can you report their part number here? Thanks. I will replace using the shorter bolts next time.

 

[Jelf]

Sounds like a plan but be aware that changing out the knives on a Caroni is not a particularly pleasant job. The Caroni supplied stock bolts are about half and inch longer than necessary for the locknut and with use nearly always have damaged threads. That means vigorous effort with a couple of spanners is necessary to remove them. My 3/8" air ratchet is not up to the job. By the time you have removed all 28 your forearms will be putty. I finally learned not to use Caroni metric bolts and use Flailmaster supplied bolts that are just one thread longer than the locknuts.

The Flailmaster duckfoot knives someone put on their 'B' rotor are part #DFM-2042 $3.96 each.
The FM catalog shows they sell a bolt and nut - or - a clevis pin that is held in with a cotter pin.

I wonder if that clevis pin will fit into the holes in the mounting on the B rotor?
Anyone know?
If that works then that would eliminate messed up threads when changing/replacing knives/hammers.

 

[IslandTractor]

I bought my Caroni replacement blades from Flail Master -- but not the bolts. Can you report their part number here? Thanks. I will replace using the shorter bolts next time.

I have a box of them with my tractor but I won't be back there for another ten days or so. If you measure the Caroni bolts and subtract half an inch it hat length would work. My flail master bolts are SAE but fit without any problem.

I'll search my email to see if I can find the order from Flailmaster. (Edit: no emails, must have called the order in)

2nd Edit: The Caroni bolts are M10x80mm. Closest equivalent SAE is 3/8" diameter and 3" long. Both those measurements are slightly shy of what the metric width and length are. I'm thinking that's probably what I have although the 3" bolt is only 1/8" shorter than the 80mm and somehow I think there was a bigger difference than that. I just changed one set this past weekend and I know that with the metric set the fastened nut leaves at least five or so threads of bolt exposed at the end. With the SAE bolt/nut there was one thread outside the nut.