Kioti No Go?

[jeffleesmith]

Hello:
My name is Jeff Smith and I purchased the LB3054 Kioti tractor w/ backhoe attachment 38 months ago. I recently was backing up, shoved down the clutch to change to forward direction and the tractor kept going in reverse. I immediately turned off the tractor, placed it in forward and started it up again and everything seemed fine momentarily, but noticed that shoving in the clutch pedal did not always disengage the transmission.
Later, I went to pick up a load of dirt and the tractor didn't seem to have any power when pushing the loader into the dirt pile. After 30 minutes or so, I gave up on the dirt and went to back up and it wouldn't go backwards. It seemed to have engaged into reverse on the lever, but nothing was happening with the tractor. I used the loader to push and pull the tractor hoping that it would help engage the transmission and it did. It's now sitting in front of my garage waiting for repair.
I contacted my dealership and spoke to the mechanic and he said that either my clutch was out of adjustment or the clutch was going out. So taking matters in my own hand, I decided to order a service manual, but have had great difficulty obtaining one.
Can anyone tell me if it is just a clutch adjustment issue and/or help me get a service manual?
Thanks

 

[Grrrr]

Hello:
My name is Jeff Smith and I purchased the LB3054 Kioti tractor w/ backhoe attachment 38 months ago. I recently was backing up, shoved down the clutch to change to forward direction and the tractor kept going in reverse. I immediately turned off the tractor, placed it in forward and started it up again and everything seemed fine momentarily, but noticed that shoving in the clutch pedal did not always disengage the transmission.
Later, I went to pick up a load of dirt and the tractor didn't seem to have any power when pushing the loader into the dirt pile. After 30 minutes or so, I gave up on the dirt and went to back up and it wouldn't go backwards. It seemed to have engaged into reverse on the lever, but nothing was happening with the tractor. I used the loader to push and pull the tractor hoping that it would help engage the transmission and it did. It's now sitting in front of my garage waiting for repair.
I contacted my dealership and spoke to the mechanic and he said that either my clutch was out of adjustment or the clutch was going out. So taking matters in my own hand, I decided to order a service manual, but have had great difficulty obtaining one.
Can anyone tell me if it is just a clutch adjustment issue and/or help me get a service manual?
Thanks

It definitely sounds like the clutch. I expect you will need a new one.

 

[RoyJackson]

I'd take that tractor to the dealer or see if the tech can come out to your place for evaluation. If the clutch is out of adjustment, it's pretty easy to adjust (but there are measurements you'll need to know...free play is one of them).
Continue usage won't make the problem better and may result in trashing the clutch ($$$$). I suggest you refrain from using the machine until it's been checked out!
38 months isn't that much time...seems awful early for a clutch to go (of course, I don't know the history of the tractor, the hours on it or if you or others have been riding the clutch...so that statement is a WAG).
Don't delay in getting it looked at!

 

[RedRocker]

One post in three years........Jeff, you gotta quit dominating the board like this!!

 

[jeffleesmith]

Hey Fellas
Thanks for your input regarding my Kioti No Go. Wife and I were on vacation a couple of weeks ago and I've been waiting around for this manual, which I received last week. Since then, I recently seperated my tractor, which took me about 4 days working on it in the evenings after work. Now I need a clutch alignment tool so that I can remove the clutch and take it somewhere to get it rebuilt if needed.
Can anyone tell me where I can get this clutch tool and how much it costs to rebuild a clutch?

Thanks
Jeff Smith

 

[RoyJackson]

Hey Fellas
Thanks for your input regarding my Kioti No Go. Wife and I were on vacation a couple of weeks ago and I've been waiting around for this manual, which I received last week. Since then, I recently seperated my tractor, which took me about 4 days working on it in the evenings after work. Now I need a clutch alignment tool so that I can remove the clutch and take it somewhere to get it rebuilt if needed.
Can anyone tell me where I can get this clutch tool and how much it costs to rebuild a clutch?

If this is a standard alignment tool, you can get one at NAPA. If it's a special tool, you'll probably need to get it from your Kioti dealer (maybe you can rent it).
As far as the rebuild...mostly a matter of replacing parts. You don't want to do this twice, so make sure you replace the clutch, pressure plate and throwout bearing. If it's a dual stage clutch, that's more involved, I would think...still, your dealer is going to be your best source.

 

[ToadHill]

Napa used to sell a universal clutch alignment tool. It had several inserts for different pilot bearings and an expandable section for the clutch plate.

 

[jimmysisson]

I think you can rent one, also. So did the clutch wear out? That's not how you described the problem. It actually sounded like the TO bearing was broken or the fork bent or the linkage falling apart. You didn't say there was any slipping, just problems disengaging.
Still, you split the tractor for a good reason. I agree about replacing all the wear parts when you're inside, since it's not so easy to split, esp. a TLB. Let us know what was really wrong once you're all done.
Jim

 

[andrewj]

sounds like clutch linkage is just out o fadjustement. same thing happened to my JD when it was 12 months old.

 

[higgy]

if you have it apart don't forget to replace the pilot bearing or bushing depending on how they have made that machine. Its a pain in the A@@ to remove, but well worth doing. If you machine had a live pto and a manual clutch it will be a two stage pressure plate. I would not worry about rebuilding it, go trade it in and get a new one. If it has slipped there will be areas on the plate that have over heated and there will be a certain amount of un-trueness to the old plate which will cause premature ware on the new clutch plate.

when you go to put the machine back together make the adjustments to the new plates and through out bearing, make sure that the through out bearing does not contact the diaphragm or clutch fingers when not engaged, this will destroy your through out bearing in short order if not set correctly.

Make sure that all oils and grease are not contacting any of the friction surfaces.

Push the ends together and don't force anything, this is the critical stage, it will slide together when the input shaft goes into the pilot bearing, do not force by pulling together with bolts. When you tighten the bell housing up go from side to side not just start and go around the housing, there will be 9 to 11 or so bolts all the way around, take your time.

I do not know if your tractor has an inspection plate on the bottom of the bell housing, if it does make sure all of the pressure plate clearances are correct before using, this is normally done with a set of feller gauges and turning the flywheel/pressure plate around and checking all of the finger/diaphragm clearances. All of this is easy to do if you take your time and don't get in a hurry.

Dane

 

[IH3444]

Pilot bushings are easy. Just find a tap which is just a little larger than the hole for the shaft inside the bushing. As you crank the tap in with oil, allow it to bottom out. It will then begin to crank the pilot bushing out. After the bushing is out, remove the bushing from tap. Inspect hole first, and besure that the tap has a base to bottom out. You can place a smaller nut in before the tap, to keep from maring your shaft hole bottom with the tap.

 

[higgy]

with a long tap that will work, the way I do it most of the time is to fill the hollow with grease and have an old input shaft or other dowel that makes a close fit in the bearing. Tap the shaft in and the grease will push the baring/bushing out, this is of course if the seals are in good shape.