Keep ripping tubes

wango tango · Oct 4, 2021

I have a 1969 Oliver 1650 that I recently had brand new tires and tubes installed on. We also loaded the rear tires with calcium.

This was done late last year. Early this year one of the rear tubes evidently ripped somehow, because it started leaking fluid all over. The company that installed them came out and replaced the tube, cost me 300 bucks. When lo and behold the other side is now ripped. I have not used the tractor at all since the first one ripped. What could be causing this? This is getting expensive and something is telling me that there is something to this and not just bad luck. They explained I could’ve ran over something that ripped the valve stem but it looked fine. I only use in green fields too. The other curious thing is that it sat for two weeks on my trailer with no problems and just started leaking. Now the other side did same thing. No use, randomly ripped/leaked.

Thoughts? I have one but would like to hear opinions and others experiences.

jeff9366 · Oct 4, 2021

Foam your tires.

tractor tire foam

Jerry/MT · Oct 4, 2021

wango tango said:
I have a 1969 Oliver 1650 that I recently had brand new tires and tubes installed on. We also loaded the rear tires with calcium.

This was done late last year. Early this year one of the rear tubes evidently ripped somehow, because it started leaking fluid all over. The company that installed them came out and replaced the tube, cost me 300 bucks. When lo and behold the other side is now ripped. I have not used the tractor at all since the first one ripped. What could be causing this? This is getting expensive and something is telling me that there is something to this and not just bad luck. They explained I could’ve ran over something that ripped the valve stem but it looked fine. I only use in green fields too. The other curious thing is that it sat for two weeks on my trailer with no problems and just started leaking. Now the other side did same thing. No use, randomly ripped/leaked.

Thoughts? I have one but would like to hear opinions and others experiences.

The tubes may have been damaged during installation. This should not be happening. You need to have a long talk with the folks who installed your tires, tubes and CaCl.

wango tango · Oct 4, 2021

Jerry/MT said:
The tubes may have been damaged during installation. This should not be happening. You need to have a long talk with the folks who installed your tires, tubes and CaCl.

That was my opinion as well. Sucks.

JimB77 · Oct 4, 2021

How heavy a load are you attempting to pull with the new tires? I wonder if tire beads are slipping on the rims.

ROUSTABOUT · Oct 4, 2021

Jerry/MT said:
The tubes may have been damaged during installation. This should not be happening. You need to have a long talk with the folks who installed your tires, tubes and CaCl.

Does he have rim liners? Tubes won't last without those.

ROUSTABOUT · Oct 4, 2021

JimB77 said:
How heavy a load are you attempting to pull with the new tires? I wonder if tire beads are slipping on the rims.

Valve stem is fine. If the tiremoves it will tear stem.

LouNY · Oct 4, 2021

They are not getting all the air between the tire carcass and the tube out,
or else the tube is getting twisted and wrinkled during the install.
I always inflate the tube before I set the outside bead on the rim
so I can verify that the tube is sitting properly and not wrinkled or twisted.

wango tango · Oct 4, 2021

JimB77 said:
How heavy a load are you attempting to pull with the new tires? I wonder if tire beads are slipping on the rims.

Not much. Great Plains 3p606nt. Small 6’ no till drill.

wango tango · Oct 4, 2021

ROUSTABOUT said:
Does he have rim liners? Tubes won't last without those.

Not sure. Why would they not last?

Worried about corrosion now too

WranglerX · Oct 4, 2021

Maybe just poor quality CHINESEIUM tubes....

dodge man · Oct 4, 2021

I also wonder about the quality of tubes these days. Not really related but I had problems with tubes on a bicycle recently.

PILOON · Oct 4, 2021

DL Meisen said:
Maybe just poor quality CHINESEIUM tubes....

Yeah, I have more than a few and suspect they inject air holes during production.
2 carts, a 4 wheel trailer= 8 tubed tires and they all leak!
One comment WTF!

ROUSTABOUT · Oct 4, 2021

wango tango said:
Not sure. Why would they not last?

Worried about corrosion now too

Tires or wheels that came with tubes have a rubber liner that covers the steel rim. Even my old truck wheels have a liner. Everything I have ever seen that came with tubes has a liner. Our tractors have them even our log skidders, dump trucks, old 1 tons, all have liners. Only way I see tearing tubes is no liner. Unless they rotted. Rather have tube tires any day.

ROUSTABOUT · Oct 4, 2021

dodge man said:
I also wonder about the quality of tubes these days. Not really related but I had problems with tubes on a bicycle recently.

I bought a new rotted tube. Had five patches on it before I put it in. That was a wheel barrow. I bought solids for all five. Put tubes in my riding mower and have not aired up in years now. Two wheel dollies are all solids. Cutting torch dolly I cut some 2" wide sections of 24" pipeline, and made some spokes, welded pipe hub in the center, forever fixes are what I like.

SPYDERLK · Oct 4, 2021

ROUSTABOUT said:
Tires or wheels that came with tubes have a rubber liner that covers the steel rim. Even my old truck wheels have a liner. Everything I have ever seen that came with tubes has a liner. Our tractors have them even our log skidders, dump trucks, old 1 tons, all have liners. Only way I see tearing tubes is no liner. Unless they rotted. Rather have tube tires any day.

How do liners have any effect on the tube with a smooth painted rim and a correctly seated bead?

LouNY · Oct 4, 2021

The only liners that I have seen have been in spoked wheels and split rims.
I have not seen a liner in any farm tractors starting in the 50's.
Truck tires and loaders with split or bolt together rims had liners.

WranglerX · Oct 4, 2021

PILOON said:
Yeah, I have more than a few and suspect they inject air holes during production.
2 carts, a 4 wheel trailer= 8 tubed tires and they all leak!
One comment WTF!

For the smaller stuff I gave up on tires with tubes...

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/NTESearch?storeId=6970&ipp=48&Ntt=flat+free

ROUSTABOUT · Oct 4, 2021

SPYDERLK said:
How do liners have any effect on the tube with a smooth painted rim and a correctly seated bead?

Better check that rim real good. Them smooth rims aren't all that smooth. Spot welds in them. Plus the tube can rust to the rim. You may take a flappy disc and touch up paint and make it work. Our 6 tractors have maybe one flat a year average. No other problems and have liners. But a flat is a flat. He is having ripped tubes and no flat. If the liner is in right, tube won't get pinched. Rubber on rubber instead of rubber on steel. Even bicycle tubes have liners back when I rode them.

CobyRupert · Oct 5, 2021

I’ve ruined brand new tubes 2 different ways:
-Bad installation where I either pinched the tube under the bead or with the mounting tools.
- Not finding and removing the little splinter of metal that was still poking through the tire that flattened the original tube. Of course, if you have new tires too, this is probably not the case.
Luckily, my experience was with bike tires and were a lot cheaper lessons.