Oil & Fuel it's pouring oil, please help

[operation10AC]

Bought the 10 acres, bought the tractor, the cowboy boots and hat, and I was very much looking forward to working on my land. The fun lasted all of 10 minutes and some sort of liquid started flying from the the engine in generous amounts. I assume its the hydraulic system from the system operating the front loader of the tractor. I was trying to see where the fluid was coming from but it was everywhere, the belt was soaked in it and spilling it as it spun. I could not find visibly broken hoses, then I removed the belt to stop it from spinning the fluid hoping I could spot the source. That belt operates around three pulleys, one, the alternator, two, the fan cooling the radiator and three, some sort of pump (i'm guessing) on the bottom. As you an tell already, I am a complete beginner at this. If anyone would kindly point me in the right direction I would be very grateful. If I can fix it myself, I would be up for that, if someone knows a reliable mechanic in the dulzura/jamul area (zip 91917) I can pay a modest fee for honest/good work please recommend someone if you know such a person. here is a video I took today of problem youtu.be/oreBmau47XA

this is a 2002 hardy diesel 4x4 2 cylinder shennieu tractor with apparently only 500 hours

 

[Sysop]

First, welcome to TBN!

Second, typically hydraulic fluid smells much different than oil and should be much clearer. My advice would be to purchase some universal tractor hydraulic fluid and compare the smell of it to what has been expelled from your tractor. If it is hydraulics, it is likely just a burst hose, which can be rebuilt at many places. Just take what's left of the old line with you. Sometimes they can reuse fittings and save you a few bucks.

Third, spray everything down with brake cleaner. After getting it all cleaned up, just let it set a few minutes and it should still drip some from the leak location and you'll likely ID it easier.

For it to come out in the volume you described, it sounds like hydraulic fluid to me. Any leak is hard to locate spewing gallons per minute.

 

[Ed of all trades]

First, welcome to TBN!

Second, typically hydraulic fluid smells much different than oil and should be much clearer. My advice would be to purchase some universal tractor hydraulic fluid and compare the smell of it to what has been expelled from your tractor. If it is hydraulics, it is likely just a burst hose, which can be rebuilt at many places. Just take what's left of the old line with you. Sometimes they can reuse fittings and save you a few bucks.

Third, spray everything down with brake cleaner. After getting it all cleaned up, just let it set a few minutes and it should still drip some from the leak location and you'll likely ID it easier.

For it to come out in the volume you described, it sounds like hydraulic fluid to me. Any leak is hard to locate spewing gallons per minute.

Good advice. Listen to him, and try to stay calm. You can't think as clearly all wound up as you can when you are calm. This sounds like a small thing. Ed

 

[s219]

If it's possibly that hose, shield it from the pulley so that maybe you can see the leak before it hits the pulley and sprays. And don't touch the leak if hydraulic -- it can penetrate your skin easily and cause a bad wound.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Welcome to TBN.
Okay, back to basics. You have three pulleys on the front of your engine. Coolant pump/fan, alternator, and down low is the crankshaft with the harmonic balancer on it. So, do you have a hydraulic pump that drives off the front of the crankshaft in front of the engine? Have yet to see a belt driven hydraulic pump on any of these tractors. There have been instances of the seal in the hydraulic pump failing and filling the engine crankcase with hydraulic oil. Check your hydraulic oil level and engine oil level - that will tell you if that has happened, and we can go from there.
Incidentally, that You Tube link doesn't work.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Here's a working link.. oil spilling - YouTube

 

[Bob Rooks]

Here's a working link.. oil spilling - YouTube

Thanks for that. It's either a hose, hose adapter, or the pump seal. Are the hose and adaptor connections tight? From the year of the tractor I wouldn't suspect at hose first. There are O-rings in the pump/hose adaptors.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Also, I recommend a linked V-belt. I have them on my equipment. They are impervious to oil and they will last you a lifetime, plus, in your situation you don't have to split the pump to install/remove.
Link Belting for Power Transmission | Fenner Drives Also available through Harbor Freight.
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[operation10AC]

thank you all for your help and support, I'm so glad I found this forum. I was not able to post the full link because I am a new member with < 5 posts ... but you guys fixed that's too, thx. and yes the pump is being turned by the engine crankshaft as you said ( not by a belt)

i will try your suggestions and report back soon

again, than you

 

[operation10AC]

by the way if the hoses were damaged should this be obvious from the outside ? Because the hoses look fine from exterior...

 

[ch1ch2]

If someone mentioned it I missed it. But here is a thought.
I had a hydraulic hose to the oil cooler break. It did the same thing as the video.

 

[Midniteoyl]

by the way if the hoses were damaged should this be obvious from the outside ? Because the hoses look fine from exterior...

No necessarily as the fitting could be bad with just a small crack, bad o-ring, or built/crimped incorrectly and you really wouldn't see that.

 

[sd455dan]

If it were mine a good dousing with engine cleaner and hose off, would make it easier to identify the source,

Would suggest using 2 people and in neutral have one person just crank engine over with fuel shut off / decompression pulled , That way the leak won't completely cover everything with oil-before the other person watching can spot the source of leak..

 

[Bob Rooks]

by the way if the hoses were damaged should this be obvious from the outside ? Because the hoses look fine from exterior...

Damage to the hose exterior would be obvious. There are two wire braids in that type of high pressure hose. It's remotely possible that there could be a leak where the hose end is crimped to the hose.

 

[dickfoster]

by the way if the hoses were damaged should this be obvious from the outside ? Because the hoses look fine from exterior...

I'd start snooping around the hydraulic pump if it's hydraulic oil. Most are driven off the front of the engine so that puts it in the area but I doubt it's belt driven but geared off the crank. Maybe it's a seal that spewing fluid on the fan belt which is then slinging it all over the place. Poke around the high pressure pump output. Careful! High pressure hydraulic fluid can do a lot of damage so use a piece of cardboard or something to do your snooping.

If it's coolant it's probably a bad water pump seal so you'd replace the pump and the gasket.
If it's engine oil look around the oil pump which may be on the front of the engine, mine is.
Check all your fluid levels whatever is low will lead to where your problem is.

Where'd you buy that thing anyway, across the border? Good luck finding parts.

 

[buickanddeere]

Manufactures install skid plates and side shields on industrial and logging equipment for a reason. A stick will always find it's way into a wiring harness, hydraulic line, v-belt , coolant hose or something within minutes.

 

[Midniteoyl]

If it were mine a good dousing with engine cleaner and hose off, would make it easier to identify the source,

Would suggest using 2 people and in neutral have one person just crank engine over with fuel shut off / decompression pulled , That way the leak won't completely cover everything with oil-before the other person watching can spot the source of leak..

This ^^^

 

[Bob Rooks]

Where'd you buy that thing anyway, across the border? Good luck finding parts.

I'm sure that's just what he wanted to hear, DICK!

 

[Wa11banger]

Wow, first that's amazing! what a great shot getting in there like that.

Second, there is a lot of sound advice here to follow up on.. with that level of consumption it should be easy to pick out which type of oil it is by reading all the levels. Just looking at the short vid clip and I know its very messy and almost impossible to tell but Im betting hydraulic pump seal.. There is so much fluid that you would see a hose or line that was damaged aiming at it.. It looks to me like is coming from the pump shaft

just my .02 for the day

 

[Bob Rooks]

Wow, first that's amazing! what a great shot getting in there like that.

Second, there is a lot of sound advice here to follow up on.. with that level of consumption it should be easy to pick out which type of oil it is by reading all the levels. Just looking at the short vid clip and I know its very messy and almost impossible to tell but Im betting hydraulic pump seal.. There is so much fluid that you would see a hose or line that was damaged aiming at it.. It looks to me like is coming from the pump shaft

just my .02 for the day

I totally agree. Pump seal failures like that almost always are caused by deadheading, which is almost always due to defective quick-connect couplers for the loader attachment. We may never know the outcome though.