Hydraulic Pump Dead?

[Iplayfarmer]

A lot of auto parts stores will take used oil too. Some have a maximum per customer. If that's the case give them the maximum, then go the next day and give them the maximum again.

One caution... if you tell them it's hydraulic fluid they may balk. Be sure to call it hydraulic oil

 

[Thumper & Buttercup]

My closest Tractor shop takes all the oil they can get, they heat their shop with a waste oil furnace. In fact I have a cut down pallet just the size of a 55 gal drum, I just load it into the pickup and they get it with their forklift, then we just twist the drum off of the pallet (they keep trying to steal my cut down pallets) and I go and get another drum to take home and put back in my shop.

 

[dcyrilc]

A lot of auto parts stores will take used oil too. Some have a maximum per customer. If that's the case give them the maximum, then go the next day and give them the maximum again.

One caution... if you tell them it's hydraulic fluid they may balk. Be sure to call it hydraulic oil

Our auto shop limits it to one gallon. I hold 14.5 gallons just in hydraulic oil. Plus another 1.5 gallons of engine oil. Not to mention front differential and hubs. It would take 3 weeks and I think they would realize I was exceeding their one gallon limit, not to mention the cost of the fuel for that many trips.

I'll figure something out.

 

[dcyrilc]

My closest Tractor shop takes all the oil they can get, they heat their shop with a waste oil furnace. In fact I have a cut down pallet just the size of a 55 gal drum, I just load it into the pickup and they get it with their forklift, then we just twist the drum off of the pallet (they keep trying to steal my cut down pallets) and I go and get another drum to take home and put back in my shop.

I need to find out more about waste oil furnaces. My shop is not currently heated and I would like to change that, at least when I'm working in there. It gets plenty cold this time of year if you're in there for very long.

 

[Ford850]

Our auto shop limits it to one gallon. I hold 14.5 gallons just in hydraulic oil. Plus another 1.5 gallons of engine oil. Not to mention front differential and hubs. It would take 3 weeks and I think they would realize I was exceeding their one gallon limit, not to mention the cost of the fuel for that many trips.

I'll figure something out.

If you have a TSC store nearby, give them a call or ask the next time you are in there. Ours takes all oils and has no maximum limits. You can back your truck right up the the tank, and dump bucket after bucket.

 

[dieselsmoke1]

The quick lube places here gladly take any oil product. Maybe they sell their used oil? I just drop plastic jugs off beside the door if not open.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

Our auto shop limits it to one gallon. I hold 14.5 gallons just in hydraulic oil. Plus another 1.5 gallons of engine oil. Not to mention front differential and hubs. It would take 3 weeks and I think they would realize I was exceeding their one gallon limit, not to mention the cost of the fuel for that many trips.

I'll figure something out.

Wow! I think mine had a 5 gallon limit.

I now give it all to my BIL who has a waste oil heater in his shop.

 

[TRACTORMAN-DOWN]

the frist thing i would do is get it in a warm garage and let it warm up good and pull the filters and put new filters on and pull the drain plugs out of diffarentials if that is part of your hydraulic system and put the plug back in fast just to check for water in the oil and the last time you used it, it was like jelly and after you warmed it up it settled out it frorsted up and frooze it happen a lot, tempature changes do funny things.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

Here is more of a thought question...

Will long periods without starting it contribute more to the problem?

This poor tractor will be worked hard for a couple of weeks at a time (spring, fall, when it snows), and then sit sometimes for months at a time.

 

[Thumper & Buttercup]

In a unheated shop and with the normal fluctuations in temps you will always get some condensation in the tractors. The engine gets good and hot and takes care of most of it there but my old 9n that hyd never got really hot and liked to make water and it would catch me every now and then wanting a mid winter fluid change.

That was my fault with my old JD60 and the 9N I always tried to make them fluids go a bit further. With my newer ones I give them a good service and a extra filter change, I don't need that kind of problems at -20.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

I finally got around to changing my hydraulic fluid. It is VERY milky. I dumped the fluid that was in it, and then I ran a few gallons of fresh hyd. fluid and diesel fuel through it for a little while as suggested. The diesel mix came out looking almost as milky as the the first stuff. I'm letting the tractor sit overnight with the drain plug out and the filter off to let it drain all the way. (The tractor is in the garage tonight.)

Now I just have to figure out how water is getting into the fluid.

 

[Soundguy]

is this a common sump machine?


soundguy

 

[dcyrilc]

When I flush a sump that has been wet or dirty, i always add in some trans tune/seafoam.. or some 90% isopropyl alcohol, plus oil, plus some diesel, then circulate it a bit, then dump.. the seafoam or alc, grabs any free water and holds it in soloution.. the diesel thins it all out and makes it so any debri or suspended particles will run out fast vs settling. the oil is there for some lube and some viscosity and to up the vapor pressure to prevent cavitation that straight diesel would likely cause.

if a sump holds say.. 5g normally.. I usually short it and dump in say.. 3 or a hair more.. just enough to get things going.. and I usually do 50/50 oil/diesel mix.

soundguy

Do you do anything to clean the mix out of the lines and cylinders before putting in the clean oil? Mine's a common sump for everything except engine. Including brakes. I know there's a warning that putting in the wrong fluid can destroy my brakes. JD 2240.

 

[Willl]

It is VERY milky.

You know as well as I do that this not good.
I would continue with 'flushes' until I knew for positive that I had clean fluid in the system.

Build a base.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

is this a common sump machine?


soundguy

Yep.

Tranny, Hydro, and everything uses the same fluid.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

You know as well as I do that this not good.
I would continue with 'flushes' until I knew for positive that I had clean fluid in the system.

Build a base.

Is there anything other than water that would make the fluid milky?

 

[Soundguy]

Do you do anything to clean the mix out of the lines and cylinders before putting in the clean oil? Mine's a common sump for everything except engine. Including brakes. I know there's a warning that putting in the wrong fluid can destroy my brakes. JD 2240.

The pint or quart of mixed oil left in the lines and pump casting aren't much.. especially on a common sump machine where you have.. what? near 5g of oil?

The brake / oil warning is a specific warning as there are some UTF oils that were not wet clutch / wet brake friendly.

soundguy

 

[dcyrilc]

The pint or quart of mixed oil left in the lines and pump casting aren't much.. especially on a common sump machine where you have.. what? near 5g of oil?

The brake / oil warning is a specific warning as there are some UTF oils that were not wet clutch / wet brake friendly.

soundguy

14.5g. I figures they would hold more than that, but even in they held 2g, it would be about the same ratio you described.

I don't know much, if anything, about the different types of oils. It sounds like you're saying that the diesel will be OK with the brakes, is this correct? Don't want to do anything which would damage the brakes by mistake.

 

[Soundguy]

A flush won't hurt. If you ran it with a high concentration of diesel.. yes.. it would hurt.

If this scares you.. like it sounds like it does.. then instead flush with cheap UTF oil... probably find some for 35$ per 5g pail.

soundguy

 

[dcyrilc]

A flush won't hurt. If you ran it with a high concentration of diesel.. yes.. it would hurt.

If this scares you.. like it sounds like it does.. then instead flush with cheap UTF oil... probably find some for 35$ per 5g pail.

soundguy

I just like being cautious when doing something wrong can cause damage. No sense causing additional work for myself.

I thought UTF was what I didn't want to use? My normal oil is HY-GARD (JDM J 20 A) per the manual. As I said, I know little to nothing about different oil types.