HST vs Manual trans

[paulfun9]

I have 2 1990s trucks. The manual truck I'm driving, the automatic truck is down with the transmission out of it. My Silverado with a automatic also had transmission issues. I can't afford a brand new truck with a 8 speed transmission.

Wonder what that 8 speed will cost to replace or repair when it goes south!

 

[4570Man]

Wonder what that 8 speed will cost to replace or repair when it goes south!

I'd say a lot. Transmission shop wanted $1000 to rebuild my already taken out 4L80.

 

[paulfun9]

I'd say a lot. Transmission shop wanted $1000 to rebuild my already taken out 4L80.

Your going to have to add one **** of a lot to that number to rebuild any of the newer stuff. They will be hesitant to even start work with only a thousand dollar down payment.
Price for building a tranny for my play truck would be around 8 to 10 just to take the power its making but I was able to put a manual in it for 1500 and got the 1500 back from selling the left overs off as parts.

 

[4570Man]

I doubt many 200000+ mile ( my predicted life span of the transmission) trucks are worth that much.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

As the last guy said hst is no good, weak and expensive to fix as they break all the time.

That's why commercial skid steers, dozers and excavators use them, so there can be a lot of expensive down time for the businesses that own them.

The ONLY similarities between HEAVY equipment hydro's and small tractor hydro's, is the NAME!!

SR

 

[4570Man]

The ONLY similarities between HEAVY equipment hydro's and small tractor hydro's, is the NAME!!

SR

Small tractors and heavy equipment have even less in common.

 

[jenkinsph]

I am looking at new tractors and so many of them have the HST transmission. I use my loader to move snow, dirt, and sometimes gravel would the HST do the job. I have used manual Transmissions for years. I occasionally mow with the tractor, but not often

An HST transmission will do the job just fine. Some people complain about the whine, some tractors whine more than others (just like people). Over the last 45 years I have had gear tractors, power shift tractors and hst tractors, I find the hst tractors will do everything I want them to do. While you do need to raise the rpms with the hst transmission this doesn't change fuel consumption much but it is not as efficient as a gear drive. The average compact tractor owner putting on 100 to 150 hours a year might use an extra 15 gallons of fuel per year with hst. For about a dollar a week the extra fuel is well worth the convenience imo.

You get all kinds of opinions on this forum about the transmission, "gear vs. hydro" and I feel both are pretty good. You really need to try out all of them and decide for yourself.

 

[RoyJackson]

The ONLY similarities between HEAVY equipment hydro's and small tractor hydro's, is the NAME!!

SR

Actually, I suggest it's more due to the number of operators with varying experience (and attitude). Gears are efficient, but an inexperienced or incompetent operator can destroy a clutch pretty quickly.

 

[TomSeller]

Actually, I suggest it's more due to the number of operators with varying experience (and attitude). Gears are efficient, but an inexperienced or incompetent operator can destroy a clutch pretty quickly.

You mean the ones that rest their foot on the clutch pedal?

 

[k0ua]

You mean the ones that rest their foot on the clutch pedal?

That would be them...

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Actually, I suggest it's more due to the number of operators with varying experience (and attitude). Gears are efficient, but an inexperienced or incompetent operator can destroy a clutch pretty quickly.

Same can be said of a hydro operator!

You either learn to be a decent operator or you don't!

SR

 

[k0ua]

Same can be said of a hydro operator!

You either learn to be a decent operator or you don't!

SR

How do I wear out the clutch on my hydro tractor that has no clutch?

 

[jenkinsph]

How do I wear out the clutch on my hydro tractor that has no clutch?

It could be that the people who complain about the whine should be downshifting the range gear on their hydro tractor. Loud whine indicates higher pressure fluid squeezing through the transmission which in turn adds more wear. I prefer hydro transmissions and automatics in my other vehicles but I am sure if I were a superior and highly experienced operator I could learn to push down a clutch pedal. Well maybe.

 

[paulfun9]

It could be that the people who complain about the whine should be downshifting the range gear on their hydro tractor. Loud whine indicates higher pressure fluid squeezing through the transmission which in turn adds more wear. I prefer hydro transmissions and automatics in my other vehicles but I am sure if I were a superior and highly experienced operator I could learn to push down a clutch pedal. Well maybe.

So what gear do I need to have installed on my JD because it whines no matter what gear its in?

HI or Low are my choices and its actually worse in Low. Whines with a load, whines without, whines on uphill, downhill and flat. Simply put if your moving in anything besides N it is making that aggravating sound and there is nothing anyone seems to be able to do about it. So I do understand how some people get tired of hearing the whine.

 

[dragoneggs]

So what gear do I need to have installed on my JD because it whines no matter what gear its in?

HI or Low are my choices and its actually worse in Low. Whines with a load, whines without, whines on uphill, downhill and flat. Simply put if your moving in anything besides N it is making that aggravating sound and there is nothing anyone seems to be able to do about it. So I do understand how some people get tired of hearing the whine.

Grab some favorite cheese with your whine and accept life with HST. Seriously, some HST must be a lot more noisy than others. I don't have anything to compare. My BX has what I call, a little whine but it doesn't really bug me unless I can't get up a hill (usually an issue in reverse).

 

[paulfun9]

Grab some favorite cheese with your whine and accept life with HST. Seriously, some HST must be a lot more noisy than others. I don't have anything to compare. My BX has what I call, a little whine but it doesn't really bug me unless I can't get up a hill (usually an issue in reverse).

Yes some of them do whine a lot worse than others. My Kioti will whine just a little when the wife backs it out of the garage but she refuses to turn the RPM up until she is outside. Anytime you have the RPM up its very quiet. My oldest HST in one of my Internationals makes no whine at all even if I load it up at idle but other tractors I have owned have been hit and miss with how loud and when they whine or don't.

 

[CincyFlyer]

Rare bird? When I started buying cars/trucks having a 3 on the tree was rather common. Having a 70's suburban with one might be a little odd but I assure you it wasn't as rare as you might think! I had 3 of them at one time and along with it the wife had a Chevy chevelle with one .

I wont argue with you any longer but I assure you if I decide to buy an new or used car or truck in the future I will post here and ask you which I like best as you seem to know what is best for me no matter how limited your experience is compared to mine!

Yeah, three on the tree wasn't rare, just very odd in a Suburban (even though they weren't quite the family truckster they are today.)

 

[k0ua]

So what gear do I need to have installed on my JD because it whines no matter what gear its in?

HI or Low are my choices and its actually worse in Low. Whines with a load, whines without, whines on uphill, downhill and flat. Simply put if your moving in anything besides N it is making that aggravating sound and there is nothing anyone seems to be able to do about it. So I do understand how some people get tired of hearing the whine.

But your DK40 doesn't whine much does it?. At least my DK35se hardly whines at all. Near non existent. Only a bit in HI range, which I hardly ever use.

I think the smaller the tractor the larger the whine. I think it has to do with forcing hi pressure oil thru smaller passages.

 

[jenkinsph]

But your DK40 doesn't whine much does it?. At least my DK35se hardly whines at all. Near non existent. Only a bit in HI range, which I hardly ever use.

I think the smaller the tractor the larger the whine. I think it has to do with forcing hi pressure oil thru smaller passages.

Pretty much my thoughts the smaller and simple hydro in my x749 whines more than the 110 and 4520 with ehydro transmissions.

 

[4570Man]

My Kubota L3240 didn't whine and my grandpas L3800 whines badly in any range.